Hood ain't that good

[JGolds]

rodney hood if he stays healthy will average 17-18ppg this season.

Again... Someone has to make buckets... but it will be an inefficient 17-18ppg.

So not sure if this is really a prophetic statement or one that will happen by consequence of the situation.

 

[JGolds]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bealbr01.html

Bradley Beal, a shooter who has had injury issues, also had a very low FTR in his 3rd year (his lowest FTR was actually in his 2nd year and lower than anything Hood has produced) then improved it to a respectable rate in this 4th year, and went on to improve it more in his 5th year. So it's not impossible like you are saying.

I am okay if I end up eating my words. Truly I am. That being said, I don't see that upward trend happening for our Hood. And I obviously have no hard line fact on why I think this, But i guess we are all entitled to an opinion occasionally

 

[fishonjazz]

Hayward in general has always been a fairly efficient player.

Just want to point something out for you that might give you more hope for hood.

23 year old haywood: 41% field goal percentage. 30% 3 point percentage. 45% eFG. Not very efficient imo.
23 year old Hood: 42% field goal percentage. 36% 3 point percentage. 50% eFG. Also not very efficient but hayward improved. Maybe Hood can too.

In haywoods 7 years with the jazz he had 4 years below 45% from the field and 3 above it. He only had 3 years out of 7 where he was good from 3 point line. (this is entirely my opinion but i think a good 3 point shooter should be above 37 or 38 percent)
He was always good at getting to the line though (Hood isn't so far) and making a good percentage from the line. Plus better rebounder and passer and defender.
But I dont think that haywood has always been efficient in his scoring.

 

[JimLes]

He was always good at getting to the line though (Hood isn't so far) and making a good percentage from the line. Plus better rebounder and passer and defender.

I think the advantage Hood might have here is that no one expects him to rebound, pass, or even defend all that much. If he can provide 15 PPG with decent efficiency, that's great. We've got players who can create for others, we've got some excellent rebounders, and we certainly got players at Hood's position who can defend a hot opponent if need be.

 

[Team Hood]

Just want to point something out for you that might give you more hope for hood.

23 year old haywood: 41% field goal percentage. 30% 3 point percentage. 45% eFG. Not very efficient imo.
23 year old Hood: 42% field goal percentage. 36% 3 point percentage. 50% eFG. Also not very efficient but hayward improved. Maybe Hood can too.

In haywoods 7 years with the jazz he had 4 years below 45% from the field and 3 above it. He only had 3 years out of 7 where he was good from 3 point line. (this is entirely my opinion but i think a good 3 point shooter should be above 37 or 38 percent)
He was always good at getting to the line though (Hood isn't so far) and making a good percentage from the line. Plus better rebounder and passer and defender.
But I dont think that haywood has always been efficient in his scoring.

This. Hood is a good player now with a chance to be great if he continues to develop. No different from any of our other young guys. He won't be year 7 Hayward good this year but he'll definitely make a huge jump. He's gotten better defensively and he's a lot more fluid than Hayward on offense. I'm excited to see how he handles the new role.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

Rodney Hood is about to go prime Michael Redd up in this bish.

 

[Douchebag K]

This. Hood is a good player now with a chance to be great if he continues to develop. No different from any of our other young guys. He won't be year 7 Hayward good this year but he'll definitely make a huge jump. He's gotten better defensively and he's a lot more fluid than Hayward on offense. I'm excited to see how he handles the new role.

lol a lot more fluid than Hayward on offense ??? please elaborate.

 

[Douchebag K]

I think the advantage Hood might have here is that no one expects him to rebound, pass, or even defend all that much. If he can provide 15 PPG with decent efficiency, that's great. We've got players who can create for others, we've got some excellent rebounders, and we certainly got players at Hood's position who can defend a hot opponent if need be.

dude, i'm stressed about the whole creating situation. Ease my fears that outside of Rubio we're ****ed for creating offense.

I only really want to invest in Hood if he can begin to create just a little, and get to the free throw line at a respectable rate. I'm not interested in seeing him jack up a bunch of jumpers at average %

 

[franklin]

Hayward in general has always been a fairly efficient player.

Just want to point something out for you that might give you more hope for hood.

23 year old haywood: 41% field goal percentage. 30% 3 point percentage. 45% eFG. Not very efficient imo.
23 year old Hood: 42% field goal percentage. 36% 3 point percentage. 50% eFG. Also not very efficient but hayward improved. Maybe Hood can too.

In haywoods 7 years with the jazz he had 4 years below 45% from the field and 3 above it. He only had 3 years out of 7 where he was good from 3 point line. (this is entirely my opinion but i think a good 3 point shooter should be above 37 or 38 percent)
He was always good at getting to the line though (Hood isn't so far) and making a good percentage from the line. Plus better rebounder and passer and defender.
But I dont think that haywood has always been efficient in his scoring.

Efg% is a trash stat. It doesn't take free throws into account or anything else. It's basic 2 point + 1.5x3 point = X.

Hayward has always been an efficient scorer in addition to assisting his teammates at a decent clip.

 

[fishonjazz]

Efg% is a trash stat. It doesn't take free throws into account or anything else. It's basic 2 point + 1.5x3 point = X.

Hayward has always been an efficient scorer in addition to assisting his teammates at a decent clip.

True but I do think that shooting a poor field goal percentage and poor 3 point percentage negatively effects efficiency.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I am okay if I end up eating my words. Truly I am. That being said, I don't see that upward trend happening for our Hood. And I obviously have no hard line fact on why I think this, But i guess we are all entitled to an opinion occasionally

Either way, it's silly to speak on this in absolutes like how you said "However, you never hear of a shooter Turning aggressive for some reason, and driving more" You obviously didnt look into that at all as you can find examples of "shooters" expanding their game to include increasing their free throw rate.

I think it will be pretty difficult for him to not increase his FTR rate (as it was really low last year, even compared to his first two years) this year due to the simple fact that he will be asked to playmake more, for himself and others, which will probably lead to more varied plays being ran for him. If I had to guess, I would put his FTR somewhere between .22 and .24 for this upcoming year. That still isnt good, but it would be an improvement.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Hayward > Hood - but I also feel like Hood was playing well before his knee injury and they should have shut him down more until he was fully healed. It felt like he came back too early. Hopefully, he keeps getting bigger and takes his game up a notch. He has a prime opportunity. Hopefully he makes the most of it.

 

[JGolds]

Either way, it's silly to speak on this in absolutes like how you said "However, you never hear of a shooter Turning aggressive for some reason, and driving more" You obviously didnt look into that at all as you can find examples of "shooters" expanding their game to include increasing their free throw rate.

I think it will be pretty difficult for him to not increase his FTR rate (as it was really low last year, even compared to his first two years) this year due to the simple fact that he will be asked to playmake more, for himself and others, which will probably lead to more varied plays being ran for him. If I had to guess, I would put his FTR somewhere between .22 and .24 for this upcoming year. That still isnt good, but it would be an improvement.

If and when a shooter turns magically aggressive it is rare. Just like you when you play ball you stay and do whats comfortable (most of the time). I don't believe these guys are much different. you play to your strengths. Hoods is shooting.

Plus it takes a lot more energy to drive and get to your spot. I'd hate to see how much more lack luster he would be on D if he had less energy lol... Only time will tell I suppose.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If and when a shooter turns magically aggressive it is rare. Just like you when you play ball you stay and do whats comfortable (most of the time). I don't believe these guys are much different. you play to your strengths. Hoods is shooting.

Plus it takes a lot more energy to drive and get to your spot. I'd hate to see how much more lack luster he would be on D if he had less energy lol... Only time will tell I suppose.

Yea, it's rare for NBA players to ever add to their game and expand their skill-set. They are just like us regular folk (except for the part where they practice for thousands of hours and have access to the best trainers).

 

[JGolds]

Yea, it's rare for NBA players to ever add to their game and expand their skill-set. They are just like us regular folk (except for the part where they practice for thousands of hours and have access to the best trainers).

Lol... we aren't talking about adding a floater to his game, or a little hook shot... We are essentially asking him to change his entire game. Driving to the hoop isn't even IMO a thing learned as much as its and change in attitude. And yes they have all those resources but players are going to play their games and will play to their strengths.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Lol... we aren't talking about adding a floater to his game, or a little hook shot... We are essentially asking him to change his entire game. Driving to the hoop isn't even IMO a thing learned as much as its and change in attitude. And yes they have all those resources but players are going to play their games and will play to their strengths.

It is very much a thing learned.

 

[Jack Strop]

Why do we want -or even need- to turn Hood into Hayward?. I think a better comparison would be Korver, although Hood does have some ability to drive and take the pull up jumper.

Hood doesn't need to initiate plays like Hayward did. Utah now has a true PG to do that. Hood will generally hang out behind the arc.

Quin is smart enough to adapt the offense to player's strengths. If healthy, expect Favs to be rolling to the rim and taking some of the midrange shots that Hayward used to.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Why do we want -or even need- to turn Hood into Hayward?. I think a better comparison would be Korver, although Hood does have some ability to drive and take the pull up jumper.

Hood doesn't need to initiate plays like Hayward did. Utah now has a true PG to do that. Hood will generally hang out behind the arc.

Quin is smart enough to adapt the offense to player's strengths. If healthy, expect Favs to be rolling to the rim and taking some of the midrange shots that Hayward used to.

Hood is a really good PNR ball-handler lmao. You dont use him like Korver.

 

[LogGrad98]

I think we are under-rating Hood a bit. I think he will surprise us this season. He will step up with Hayward out. I have always thought he had that potential, and if he can stay healthy we will see what he can do. I am excited for it personally. He has a good chance to win MIP really.

 

[Jack Strop]

Hood is a really good PNR ball-handler lmao. You dont use him like Korver.

So you want Hood to run the P&R and Rubio to drift to the baseline to shoot a corner 3?

Not saying Hood will never initiate a P&R. But with Rubio at PG (and no 3pt threat at PF), wings need to be shooters and floor spacers, not play makers.

Maybe Korver wasn't the best example because, obviously, Hood is going to get more shots.