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Hood is the reason 3.0 (Thanks for reading)

Ron Mexico said:
Hood has started off slow many times and then hit a bunch in a row, so I disagree. More often Hood starts off slow and then picks things up. So he is probably better at that than others. Hood shoots poorly in the first quarter where he shoots 28%. So more often than not he is "shooting poorly" and people say he should be benched and then he starts shooting better after a few shots. He plays the most minutes and gets the most shots off in the 2nd and 3rd quarters and those are his best shooting averages. Hood needs shots and rhythm to get going.

Statistically he is a good shooter so i am fine with his ups and downs that every shooter in the league has. Curry has plenty of off nights and is one of the best shooters ever. He has a bunch of 1-7, 2-10 and so on type games. Then he comes out with a good shooting game. Hood does the same thing.

Shooting from three is going to be inconsistent by nature.
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He’s a good outside shooter but his TS% is 53.5%... Stephs is 66%... steph can finish at the rim and is a good shooter from everywhere... he also gets to the line.

If rod doesn’t have it going he is not a contributor... steph still is.

I’m fine with that at 10-15M a year that is fine... there is almost no way he gets that small of an offer. I’d set the over under at 18.5M per year and I’d take the over.
 
The man still averages nearly 18 ppg, despite his off-nights. You can't get a LeBron or MJ with every single roster spot. He's also one of the highest rated off the dribble 3pt shooters in the league.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He’s a good outside shooter but his TS% is 53.5%... Stephs is 66%... steph can finish at the rim and is a good shooter from everywhere... he also gets to the line.

If rod doesn’t have it going he is not a contributor... steph still is.

I’m fine with that at 10-15M a year that is fine... there is almost no way he gets that small of an offer. I’d set the over under at 18.5M per year and I’d take the over.
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Sure, Steph is obviously better. I am just comparing their 3 point shooting which is very important to our team and spacing. There are not many players that can fill that.

I used Steph as an example of someone shooting a very similar 3 point percentage on a similar number of shots. You could take any player in the league and you will get the same thing statistically. My example is still true of other players that are just shooters. Klay has bad shooting nights. Although he is a better shooter so he has less of them. But Hood is a good spot up shooter and pull up shooter and we need that on our team.

Yes, he should not be overpaid and should be traded if we can net a better player. Just like anyone else.
 
franklin said:
We haven't given him a nick yet, so I propose What the Hell? What's wrong with this kid's shot, and more importantly, with QS continuing to give him the green light. And don't get me started on Harpring's bull **** about letting him continue shooting even though he can't hit the broad side of a barn with a handful of wheat. NO! He's streaky as hell and needs his *** benched when he goes 0 for 7 to stop him from missing even more shots. Sit yo *** down Swaggy P wannabe.

Last five games: 3/14, 4/17, 9/20 (yay!), 4/13, 1/10.

The Jazz are losing games because of Hood. He's not a primary scorer. Also, WHY IN THE HELL WAS THABO KEPT OUT ALL GAME LAST NIGHT? If he isn't on slight injury rest then QS was an idiot. Starting Jerebko and Favors was the obvious decision against AD and DMC, but why in the hell didn't he sub in Thabo for this recently scrubby *** Rodney Hood?

Final rant: Hood is not and never will be a primary option or even a secondary. He's a damn role player who chucks up shots and is very inefficient. His expiring is officially added to my must trade list.
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I propose "Rodney Should" -- he could and should be better, but he's not.
 
DasJazz said:
The man still averages nearly 18 ppg,
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that's what happens when you get minutes and plenty of shots.
(And it's actually 17.0 to be exact. For accuracy sake)
 
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fishonjazz said:
that's what happens when you get minutes and plenty of shots.
(And it's actually 17.0 to be exact. For accuracy sake)
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PPG is not the end all be all... Big Al could still get 20 a night with time and shots.

With Hood I think if everyone was self aware and just said this is who he is... we aren’t going to force feed him on nights where he doesn’t have it.

I just hope DL knows where his contract demands are and has a good read on his market.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
PPG is not the end all be all... Big Al could still get 20 a night with time and shots.

With Hood I think if everyone was self aware and just said this is who he is... we aren’t going to force feed him on nights where he doesn’t have it.

I just hope DL knows where his contract demands are and has a good read on his market.
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Exactly. If you take 15 shots per game and average 17 points per game, like hood does, its nothing special at all. Literally tons of guys in the nba can score 17 points per game if they get to put up 15 shots per game.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Hood has started off slow many times and then hit a bunch in a row, so I disagree. More often Hood starts off slow and then picks things up. So he is probably better at that than others. Hood shoots poorly in the first quarter where he shoots 28%. So more often than not he is "shooting poorly" and people say he should be benched and then he starts shooting better after a few shots. He plays the most minutes and gets the most shots off in the 2nd and 3rd quarters and those are his best shooting averages. Hood needs shots and rhythm to get going.

Statistically he is a good shooter so i am fine with his ups and downs that every shooter in the league has. Curry has plenty of off nights and is one of the best shooters ever. He has a bunch of 1-7, 2-10 and so on type games. Then he comes out with a good shooting game. Hood does the same thing.

Shooting from three is going to be inconsistent by nature.
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Define started off slow. Can you show me some game logs from hood where he started the game 0-5 or 1-6 or something and then finished the game with good percentages?

Also, this cherry picking comparison with steph curry you keep making is dumb. No one is saying that hood is a bad 3 point shooter or that he takes a low amount of threes. This thread is discussing rodney hoods entire game (and lack of games) and his value as a player. Steph and hood are nothing alike other than they both take lots of threes and both make a good percentage from there. No one is arguing otherwise.
And even with that cherry picked part of their game there is a decent difference between the two. Curry has played 9 seasons and never ever shot under 40% from three for a season. His career average is 43.6%.
Hood has played 4 seasons and never ever shot over 40% from three for a season. His career average is 37% from three.
Curry also takes more threes per game by a decent amount (almost 3 more per game this season.... seasons past there was a much bigger gap) and just from watching them both play i would say that steph takes more difficult three point shots as well.

Then of course there are all the other things that steph does way better. (rebound, pass, dribble, get to the rim, make non 3 point shots, get to the line, force turnovers, etc)
 
The 17 point per game thing is interesting.
I would be curious to know if there are any players in the league who take 15 shots per game, with 7 of them being threes taken and made at a good percentage, who score less than 17 ppg. I mean you almost have to accidentally get a few layups/dunks and free throws in a game. I think it would be hard to score less than 17 ppg shooting as much as rodney does and shooting the volume and percentage he does from 3.

****, im sounding like a rodney hood hater. He is still young, has good size, has about the prettiest shot in the league and spaces the floor well, can absolutely go off, and seems to accept his role off the bench. I like him. Just dont think he is all that special or irreplaceable.
 
Here is always my take on every player we consider - is the player a specialist at anything? Is he a lock down defender, elite rebounder or rim protector, is he a great distributor, is he a lights out shooter, does he have exceptional athleticism or scoring, etc.

If that player doesn't have an elite level characteristic, I dont want him. Championships are won by teams with specialists. You might sprinkle in a few all-purpose role players like a Jerekbo or Neto, but we aren't talking about paying Hood role player money.

So knowing Hood doesnt defend, distribute, or get to the line at an elite level - does he score or shoot the 3 at an elite level? I have my doubts.

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LoPo said:
Here is always my take on every player we consider - is the player a specialist at anything? Is he a lock down defender, elite rebounder or rim protector, is he a great distributor, is he a lights out shooter, does he have exceptional athleticism or scoring, etc.

If that player doesn't have an elite level characteristic, I dont want him. Championships are won by teams with specialists. You might sprinkle in a few all-purpose role players like a Jerekbo or Neto, but we aren't talking about paying Hood role player money.

So knowing Hood doesnt defend, distribute, or get to the line at an elite level - does he score or shoot the 3 at an elite level? I have my doubts.

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I think that, this season, hood shoots the 3 at an elite level when you consider volume combined with efficiency. I think if ron mexico's recent posts have shown anything its that. The fact that you can put hoods name in the same sentence as steph as it pertains to 3 point shooting is enough for me to consider him an elite 3 point shooter so far this season. Problem is that this is his best volume and percentage in his career so it could be a small sample size/outlier.
 
fishonjazz said:
Define started off slow. Can you show me some game logs from hood where he started the game 0-5 or 1-6 or something and then finished the game with good percentages?

Also, this cherry picking comparison with steph curry you keep making is dumb. No one is saying that hood is a bad 3 point shooter or that he takes a low amount of threes. This thread is discussing rodney hoods entire game (and lack of games) and his value as a player. Steph and hood are nothing alike other than they both take lots of threes and both make a good percentage from there. No one is arguing otherwise.
And even with that cherry picked part of their game there is a decent difference between the two. Curry has played 9 seasons and never ever shot under 40% from three for a season. His career average is 43.6%.
Hood has played 4 seasons and never ever shot over 40% from three for a season. His career average is 37% from three.
Curry also takes more threes per game by a decent amount (almost 3 more per game this season.... seasons past there was a much bigger gap) and just from watching them both play i would say that steph takes more difficult three point shots as well.

Then of course there are all the other things that steph does way better. (rebound, pass, dribble, get to the rim, make non 3 point shots, get to the line, force turnovers, etc)
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I'm defining starting off slow based on his stats that show he shoots the three poorly in the first quarter this season. I don't want to dig through his game logs, stats back up his poor first quarter shooting.

I'm using Curry because he is the most similar with his three point shooting percentages and volume. I am only comparing their three point shooting. But the argument is more or less the same for any three point shooter.

Hood is a good shooter and should should shoot. It's the rest of his game that is suspect.

I'm only arguing that it's a poor idea to tell hood to stop shooting his open good shots if he misses a few in a row. He should always shoot open good threes.
 
LoPo said:
If we think he is an elite 3 point shooter we can count on when mismatches are so important in our playoff runs in a couple years, pay the man.

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Its tough to say if he really is an elite shooter due to the small sample size. He hasn't been before this season imo. And it seems like his % has been trending down as this season has went on. I think at one point he was around 44% from 3 but then he started having bad games more often recently and is now under 40%.
 
21-74 FG over his last 5 games for 28% and that included one good game. The other 4 he was 12-54 FG for 22%! That's 2 baskets for 10 shots and a ton of those have been wide open shots. And a little before that he missed 7 games due to injury/distress.

He's had 3 good performances over the last 18 games.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I'm defining starting off slow based on his stats that show he shoots the three poorly in the first quarter this season. I don't want to dig through his game logs, stats back up his poor first quarter shooting.

I'm using Curry because he is the most similar with his three point shooting percentages and volume. I am only comparing their three point shooting. But the argument is more or less the same for any three point shooter.

Hood is a good shooter and should should shoot. It's the rest of his game that is suspect.

I'm only arguing that it's a poor idea to tell hood to stop shooting his open good shots if he misses a few in a row. He should always shoot open good threes.
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Ok. Would you agree that maybe he shouldn't take tough contested 3's when he is having an off night shooting the ball? I see him do that often and I think that is the complaint with hood. I don't think any posters want him to pass up open 3's.
 
fishonjazz said:
Ok. Would you agree that maybe he shouldn't take tough contested 3's when he is having an off night shooting the ball? I see him do that often and I think that is the complaint with hood. I don't think any posters want him to pass up open 3's.
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I don't really like those shots ever unless it's our only choice in short shot clock situations.

Hood needs to play within the system.

Yes, posters in here are suggesting he stop shooting period when off.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I don't really like those shots ever unless it's our only choice in short shot clock situations.

Hood needs to play within the system.

Yes, posters in here are suggesting he stop shooting period when off.
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Agree with this. Cut the BS and shoot a lot of threes or layups when they are presented. Save the post up mid range stuff for when you are hot or have a clear mismatch (like bryn forbes). But realize what you are and maximize that.

It isn’t all his fault he is put in this position by coaching and management.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
PPG is not the end all be all... Big Al could still get 20 a night with time and shots.

With Hood I think if everyone was self aware and just said this is who he is... we aren’t going to force feed him on nights where he doesn’t have it.

I just hope DL knows where his contract demands are and has a good read on his market.
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Agreed. I like Hood a lot, but when he's off, he's off. Basketball 101 is always to feed the hot player.
 
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