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Houston in talks with Kyrylo Fesenko.

If your position is that Fegan isn't involved you're simply wrong.

I haven't positioned myself to believe Fegan isn't involved. I'm sure he is. I'm just not ready to put myself in a position to think that Stu isn't his agent.

To me, from what I understand, Stu is like a car salesman for Fes. He's the one selling the car to him. Fegan is the like the car dealership owner or something. I'm calling Stu the carsalesman cause he's working hand in hand with Fes to get him his new car, however, go4jazz is saying he's not. He's saying the "big boy" dealership owner is Fes's carsalesman. I guess, something like that.
 
I like Admundson, but were were looking for a bigger player. I think the last 3 years in the playoffs have shown that we need bigger guys to match up with the Lakers that is why it is important to bring Fes back.

No, the Jazz need BETTER players to match up with the Lakers. Getting big players who can't play just to get bigger won't help against the Lakers. Plus minus be damned.
 
I haven't positioned myself to believe Fegan isn't involved. I'm sure he is. I'm just not ready to put myself in a position to think that Stu isn't his agent.

To me, from what I understand, Stu is like a car salesman for Fes. He's the one selling the car to him. Fegan is the like the car dealership owner or something. I'm calling Stu the carsalesman cause he's working hand in hand with Fes to get him his new car, however, go4jazz is saying he's not. He's saying the "big boy" dealership owner is Fes's carsalesman. I guess, something like that.

The analogy is wrong. It works like a law firm, again, because it operates out of a law firm.

Think of it like this: Fegan is the partner, Lash is the associate. Lash does a lot of the grunt work, fields phone calls, etc etc. Fegan is the guy who will ultimately hammer out the terms of deals, give advice on whether or not a specific offer is competitive, and actually give the recommendations to the client. Lash is reporting up as the sensory organs while Fegan makes all the mission-critical decisions.

Your argument is silly if you have any knowledge of how law firms work. I write a lot of letters, briefs, and pleadings. Those, for the most part, all get reviewed and signed by somebody else and filed under their name. Your position is that I am the client's lawyer and not the person who is supervising and signing my work. The reality is that we're both the client's lawyers, that's why clients hire someone who operates in a firm rather than a solo practioner: they get more man-power. Fegan's book of business is too large to operate by himself, so he associates with other agents while retaining the reins. Both Lash AND Fegan are agents operating on Fesenko's behalf.

The margin you're operating in is a pretty micro-distinction. Certainly not worth pissing someone off who's trying to give you good information, someone who might have commented on the Cleveland story for example. Don't ruin it for everyone else.
 
No, the Jazz need BETTER players to match up with the Lakers. Getting big players who can't play just to get bigger won't help against the Lakers. Plus minus be damned.

Ummm, who else is out there that will come here can help against the Lakers. Secondly I think Fes did a much better job defensively than anybody else against their bigs. Particularly watch game 4. We are talking about signing a player for 2 mill or less.
 
The analogy is wrong. It works like a law firm, again, because it operates out of a law firm.

Think of it like this: Fegan is the partner, Lash is the associate. Lash does a lot of the grunt work, fields phone calls, etc etc. Fegan is the guy who will ultimately hammer out the terms of deals, give advice on whether or not a specific offer is competitive, and actually give the recommendations to the client. Lash is reporting up as the sensory organs while Fegan makes all the mission-critical decisions.

Your argument is silly if you have any knowledge of how law firms work. I write a lot of letters, briefs, and pleadings. Those, for the most part, all get reviewed and signed by somebody else and filed under their name. Your position is that I am the client's lawyer and not the person who is supervising and signing my work. The reality is that we're both the client's lawyers, that's why clients hire someone who operates in a firm rather than a solo practioner: they get more man-power. Fegan's book of business is too large to operate by himself, so he associates with other agents while retaining the reins. Both Lash AND Fegan are agents operating on Fesenko's behalf.

The margin you're operating in is a pretty micro-distinction. Certainly not worth pissing someone off who's trying to give you good information, someone who might have commented on the Cleveland story for example. Don't ruin it for everyone else.

It's really not my argument, Kicky. It's David Locke's. But it clearly looks like Kikcy> go4jazz > David Locke's opinion. It will be the last time I listen to his show, kicky showed me up lawyer style. I've said that Lash is Fes's agent. I don't think that's too far out there, do you? I mean, can you prove to me he's not? I mean, it's not like David Locke knows anything, right?
 
Ummm, who else is out there that will come here can help against the Lakers. Secondly I think Fes did a much better job defensively than anybody else against their bigs. Particularly watch game 4. We are talking about signing a player for 2 mill or less.

I know and I get that the Jazz are hoping to sign him for $2M or less. I just disagree that he was a factor in the Lakers series. I think Amundson could have been a better player to match against the Lakers than Fesenko. Fes' total lack of offense offset anything he did on defense because it again allowed the Lakers to play 5 on 4. Could he give the Jazz effective spot minutes? Maybe. Am I holding my breath waiting for him to "get it" so he can be counted on? Absolutely not. But he has worked out hard this summer and might be a different player this season. Again. Just like last summer. And the summer before that.

And I would rather read a Hopper vs. One Brow thread than watch Game 4 of the Laker series again. I was there. I don't want to see it again.
 
It's really not my argument, Kicky. It's David Locke's. But it clearly looks like Kikcy> go4jazz > David Locke's opinion. It will be the last time I listen to his show, kicky showed me up lawyer style. I've said that Lash is Fes's agent. I don't think that's too far out there, do you? I mean, can you prove to me he's not? I mean, it's not like David Locke knows anything, right?

Archie, you are not wrong per se. Stu is a functioning agent and works with Fes and other players within Fegan's agency. I talk to Stu every couple of days. That said I also talk to Dan, albeit much more infrequently but we do talk and Dan does talk to KOC as well. Kicky's law firm analogy is dead on. You can't think of an agent as being only one individual, a la Jerry Maguire. Most of the time bigger entertainment stars and sports stars are represented by large agencies who bring together different synergies/opportunities for the players.

Does Stu talk to KOC? Yes. Does he talk to KOC more than Dan? Yes. Has Dan called KOC directly about Fes? Yes. Is it Dan's name on Fes' agent contract with Dan's signature at the bottom? Yes. That said Stu keeps everything together and moving so that the only thing Dan really has to do is make a few phone calls to KOC to negotiate.
 
Archie, you are not wrong per se. Stu is a functioning agent and works with Fes and other players within Fegan's agency. I talk to Stu every couple of days. That said I also talk to Dan, albeit much more infrequently but we do talk and Dan does talk to KOC as well. Kicky's law firm analogy is dead on. You can't think of an agent as being only one individual, a la Jerry Maguire. Most of the time bigger entertainment stars and sports stars are represented by large agencies who bring together different synergies/opportunities for the players.

Does Stu talk to KOC? Yes. Does he talk to KOC more than Dan? Yes. Has Dan called KOC directly about Fes? Yes. Is it Dan's name on Fes' agent contract with Dan's signature at the bottom? Yes. That said Stu keeps everything together and moving so that the only thing Dan really has to do is make a few phone calls to KOC to negotiate.

OK, good post. I'll give it a rest now. + 1.
 
Just slap Locke in the head if you see him and tell him to quit throwing crap on the wall and hoping it sticks just to try and make himself look intelligent.
 
Jeditiger,

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It was a Simpson's reference you effing moron. Nice to see your IQ is as high as your BFF Fesenko's.
 
I know and I get that the Jazz are hoping to sign him for $2M or less. I just disagree that he was a factor in the Lakers series. I think Amundson could have been a better player to match against the Lakers than Fesenko. Fes' total lack of offense offset anything he did on defense because it again allowed the Lakers to play 5 on 4. Could he give the Jazz effective spot minutes? Maybe. Am I holding my breath waiting for him to "get it" so he can be counted on? Absolutely not. But he has worked out hard this summer and might be a different player this season. Again. Just like last summer. And the summer before that.
Glad you brought up Amundson, because he's a player that Utah even signed on a 10-day deal but then let him bounce elsewhere. He seemed to exhibit a "Sloan-like" effort on the court way back then, but he got almost no burn with the Jazz (1 game only)--yet another albeit minor example of players that don't get to prove or improve themselves on the hardwood when they play under Sloan.

You mentioned utter lack of offense, but Amundson averaged 9.5 PP30 last season vs. 9.4 for Fes, and 9.2 vs. 9.1 for each player's respective short career. Oh--and Amundson's +/- was negative on both a man-up and on-court/off-court basis. And he weighs 50 pounds less than Fes. And he's not much taller than Millsap. And he played mostly PF last year (alongside Amare). Fes fits Utah's needs better; if Utah wants to play a 6'9" defensive player at the 4, they can play AK or Evans.

In other words, yer hatin'.

BTW, Amundson landed a 2-year, $4.7 million deal with Golden State. If Fes is less valuable as you say, than $2 million per is reasonable.
 
The Jazz should pony up and sign Fesenko even if they plan on making a fat offer to Tomic next year. Fes would get some playing time with Okur out, put up respectable numbers, and be a highly tradeable asset at the deadline to any playoff team who may need to replace an injured center (Yao?). You can't teach 7'1 300 lbs. KOC has made more good moves than bad moves this off season, but choosing to sign Elson over Fesenko is just god awful.
 
The Jazz should pony up and sign Fesenko even if they plan on making a fat offer to Tomic next year. Fes would get some playing time with Okur out, put up respectable numbers, and be a highly tradeable asset at the deadline to any playoff team who may need to replace an injured center (Yao?). You can't teach 7'1 300 lbs. KOC has made more good moves than bad moves this off season, but choosing to sign Elson over Fesenko is just god awful.

Um, the QO is still on the table and can match any offer that Fes receives. Why "pony up" to pay him when we may be able to sign him on the cheap.
 
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