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Utah Jazz guards Joe Ingles (2) and Donovan Mitchell (45) during a timeout of game against the San Antonio Spurs in San Antonio, Wednesday, Jan. 29, 2020. | Eric Gay, Associated Press

Izzy Tichenor, a 10-year-old girl, died by suicide over the weekend following reports of continued bullying and harassment

Utah Jazz guard Donovan Mitchell took to social media Wednesday to express his shock, anger and disbelief about the death of Isabella “Izzy” Faith Tichenor, a 10-year-old girl who died by suicide over the weekend, following reports of continued bullying and harassment, according to Tichenor’s family and representatives.



Tichenor’s family said the young girl continued to experience harassment from her peers and teachers for being Black and autistic, even after the family reported the abuse to school and Davis School District administrators.

Thursday morning, Mitchell requested to speak with local reporters so that he could expand on his feelings.

“It’s mind boggling, it’s sad, it’s just flat-out disgusting,” Mitchell said. “Bullying in itself is one thing ... but on top of that, people were alerted about the situation, by the child, by the parents. ... No one did anything. She was an autistic Black girl and our jobs are to inspire and teach our youth to be better than we are ... the fact that as adults, people sat there and let this continue to a point where a 10-year-old girl killed herself, that to me doesn’t sit right, it doesn’t feel right. As a human being, how do you let it get to that point? Especially after being told about it. You can’t say you didn’t know. ... You were told. You were told.”



Tichenor’s death comes just weeks after a Department of Justice investigation into the Davis School District revealed “serious and widespread racial harassment” by students and staff.

It’s not the first time that Mitchell has spoken out about racial injustices or instances of racism during his five-year NBA career in Utah. Though just 25 himself, he feels he has a duty to Utahns to use the platform he has to raise awareness and try to bring about change.

“I’m not going to shy away from speaking about things,” Mitchell said. “As a prominent Black man in this state, I feel like it’s my job to speak for people who don’t feel like they have a voice ... especially Black people in this community. It’s no secret there aren’t many of us here. ... And not only was Izzy Black, but she was autistic.”



That Tichenor was a minority but also required special attention and care struck a chord with many Jazz players. Mitchell has a cousin that is autistic, Hassan Whiteside’s brother, Nassan, is autistic and Joe Ingles’ son, Jacob, is autistic.

On Wednesday, Ingles said he had an hourlong conversation with Tichenor’s mother, Brittany, and they spoke about some of Izzy’s experiences and Ingles’ fears of sending his son to school. Ingles said that he promised Brittany that he would do whatever he could to support her and her family now, but that he would also do anything he could to make changes locally.

“Every kid, every adult, everyone deserves to go to work or school and be free and enjoy it and learn and that’s all that Izzy wanted to do,” Ingles said. “Hearing some of the stories from Brittany and some of the stories that Izzy’s friends have told Brittany, it’s disgusting. ... Because the teacher of that class is still at school, the kids that were bullying her are still at school and Izzy’s family are the only people that are living a different life.”

A family photo shows Isabella “Izzy” Tichenor, who at 10 years old died by suicide after her family says she was bullied.
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A family photo shows Isabella “Izzy” Tichenor, who at 10 years old died by suicide after her family says she was bullied.

Ingles is aware that because of his celebrity and standing in Utah he might have resources and opportunities available to him that others many not. He said he will use that privilege to make changes.

“I promised her that I would get into a room with someone, whether it’s the school, superintendent, someone from the county,” Ingles said. “I’m lucky with my job that I can make calls and get in rooms with people that a lot of people can’t. She’s got a story that she wants to tell and I’ll be her voice if I need to be.”

Mitchell said he too is hoping to get in contact with the Tichenors in the coming days and offer his support, whether that be anything the family needs in the immediate future or down the road.

“We need to continue to help our youth grow and help our youth feel wanted and accepted. It’s not our job to neglect when our youth are feeling a certain way,” Mitchell said. “You go to school to become something that you dream of. A child who had hopes and dreams is no longer with us.”

Both players did their best Thursday to ensure that their words won’t be taken lightly. While they aren’t sure what moves they’ll be making, who they’ll speak to, or what is going to come of it, they’re prepared to take action.

“I’m going to do everything I can for her and her family and to make sure this doesn’t happen again,” Ingles said. “I don’t know exactly what that looks like right now, I haven’t done a lot of stuff in that type of space, but I promised her and I’m not going to break that.”

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One of the most heart breaking stories I've read in a long time. People need to be held accountable for this ****.
 
Heartbreaking. I don’t understand how a young sweet girl got bullied so much that she found that decision to be an escape. I don’t know what it would be like to be a parent. And I really for the life of me don’t understand educators who don’t take this **** seriously. Davis school district should be utterly ashamed of themselves. This story and the recent DOJ investigation should cause major changes in the district. Those at her school who knew about the bullying yet did nothing need to be fired.

We need to do better.

Unfortunately, there are forces in this state that are fighting to maintain the norm of bullying children like Izzy. Anyone here check out school board member Natalie Cline’s Facebook page lately? Yikes

If you haven’t, you should. You’ll get a good glimpse of why this bullying is occurring. Change can be hard. Seeing different people in your community can be weird and scary. Changing demographics have made some people here feel threatened. And now they’re fighting back.

 
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What is it with racism in Utah? I can only imagine what was said to her that lead her to doing that?

Racism is nationwide, but it seems to be harsh in certain areas of Utah. I see it casually thrown around by people of all ages on social media. People give no ****s if how hurtful their words are to someone of color. They seem to be blind to their own racism, because I've called a number of people out for it. It's like talking to a wall.
 
What is it with racism in Utah? I can only imagine what was said to her that lead her to doing that?

Racism is nationwide, but it seems to be harsh in certain areas of Utah.
Where isn't it harsh?

Serious question. And this is from someone who grew up in the Bay Area in the 80s where the racial mix of the population in my city was about as even as it gets. It existed there, it existed in Colorado when I moved here in the 90s, it existed in the Kansas City area and exists in all those places today...it's one of the ugly aspects of human condition that does not have any sort of safe haven based on geographic location, and when it comes to children who are starting to enter adolescence, it's probably the worst of all as they don't seem to have much of a filter or empathy.
 
The details I have heard about this are extraordinarily vague. I have heard the allegations from the family, and I don't doubt their sincerity, but I haven't heard any corroborating info.

Secondly, the suicide of a ten year old is being portrayed, somehow, as the logical extension of these allegations. As if it makes sense that a ten year old would commit suicide under these circumstances. That is not correct. For a ten year old to commit suicide is illogical and unreasonable in any circumstance. There is no set criteria for when a human being, let alone a ten year old human being, "should" kill their self.

This is a tragic situation. It is horrible. I feel for the family of this young girl and I understand some degree of their pain as a survivor of the suicide of my father.

I honestly don't want to know more about this situation, but I don't really accept the narrative as it stands. Maybe it is accurate, but there is no way to know that.

Bullying is a plague. It is an absolute atrocity in our society. It is harmful and sometimes deadly. We should all call it out and stand against it anytime we encounter it.
 
We did just finish 4 years of the most public figure on the planet showing everyone how to be a bully. So that must be what was meant by making American great again.
 
Where isn't it harsh?

Serious question. And this is from someone who grew up in the Bay Area in the 80s where the racial mix of the population in my city was about as even as it gets. It existed there, it existed in Colorado when I moved here in the 90s, it existed in the Kansas City area and exists in all those places today...it's one of the ugly aspects of human condition that does not have any sort of safe haven based on geographic location, and when it comes to children who are starting to enter adolescence, it's probably the worst of all as they don't seem to have much of a filter or empathy.
Racism is everywhere. I do think we’re seeing demographic changes that may increase the likelihood and/severity of the racism. Utah is seeing its white Mormon and relatively isolated and homogeneous population change. There’s bound to be backlash over that. Again, don’t know what I mean? Visit Natalie Cline’s Facebook page. She’s a state SB member!

What makes this situation unique is that it appears admins knew about this bullying problem and didn’t do anything to stop it. At least, that’s what the reports seem to indicate as of right now. We might learn more about this and our views may change. But given the recent DOJ findings on Davis SD, there appears to be a systemic and cultural rot in that SD that needs to be addressed.
 
Wow..I threw up. I can't imagine the adults in charge allowing this to happen. How did this happen? Did the adults not stop the teasing? If it was severe then they should have done something..anything..or did they dismiss it? I know autism is a difficult condition that other kids are never mature in handling. Geez so heart wrenching. How do you handle racism in teasing? Rights are not being denied but kids are laughing..do the adults not see that? I wonder if the adults just make a generic statement to their kids..treat others fairly but then crack a joke about someone of the other race? Maybe they are just blind about the disconnect.

You know what..this is similar to what we see on this forum.. proclaim loudly against racism but every now and then we crack a subtle racialistic joke with racial undertones...

But on the other hand, the herd thinking of little kids..they like to harp on differences. I can see where it is not taught to be hurtful but I can see an adult not stopping it. At the bare minimum it should have been loudly and forcibly confronted by a responsible adult.
 
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I knew a kid in high school who was autistic who got beat up every two weeks or so. He was teased a lot. I feel bad for not taking a consistent stand.

My self, in junior high school, was teased every day in junior high school. I was tall gangly and goofy.. I also refused to fight back. I remember.kids.lining up to punch me as I arrived at school. I got two black eyes.

I thought in my mind to turn the other cheek and Jesus would not want me to hurt anyone. I wish an adult would have intervened.

This is a serious problem. I wish Ryan Smith or Dwayne Wade or any member of the Jazz would intervene. When I was growing had someone from the Lakers showed up at the school to talk about this topic. I think it would have stopped it for at least a few months. We have five for the fight..but where is the engagement on this topic..just.show up once please and encourage the kids for better behavior. Talk about all levels of racism and bullying and that none of it is okay. Just one school..any school please..even doing it once would get everyone talking including the adults. Please.
 
Davis county and the Ogden area needs jobs too. That area is rundown and the exact opposite of silicon slopes. It is not super bad like Richfield but still..that place needs some hope. Lots of single parents, housing still from the early 1900 hundreds, hardly anyone there could afford a Jazz game let alone get enough to eat. Maybe figure out a way to get somes jobs up there would help a lot too.
 
Davis county and the Ogden area needs jobs too. That area is rundown and the exact opposite of silicon slopes. It is not super bad like Richfield but still..that place needs some hope. Lots of single parents, housing still from the early 1900 hundreds, hardly anyone there could afford a Jazz game let alone get enough to eat. Maybe figure out a way to get somes jobs up there would help a lot too.
Are they?

Seems to me like most of Davis county is doing fine. You see new homes (5x the size of mine) and business all over north salt lake, Kaysville, and north Ogden. Even homes in Plain City and Syracuse go for half a million.

Are there pockets of some older homes? Sure, like everywhere. There’s an older side of Layton and Kaysville but there are far more newer areas too just Lehi, Draper, and Sandy. The growth rate isn’t that dissimilar to Utah county. Would the population have doubled since 1980 if there weren’t jobs?

I’m not sure we can blame the bullying on economics. Is the economy worse in Davis county? What’s the per capita income? Are there more single parents in Davis and Ogden than SL county or Utah county? How do we know they have less hope than those living south of them? When did they have hope and jobs?

I think there’s real risk in memorializing the past the way we sometimes do. The past wasn’t as good as we remember while the present and future isn’t nearly as bad as we think.
 
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Are they?

Seems to me like most of Davis county is doing fine. You see new homes (5x the size of mine) and business all over north salt lake, Kaysville, and north Ogden. Even homes in Plain City and Syracuse go for half a million.

Are there pockets of some older homes? Sure, like everywhere. Lehi, Draper, and Sandy have some older neighborhoods too.

But I’m not sure we can blame the bullying on economics. Are there more single parents in Davis and Ogden than SL county or Utah county? How do we know they have less hope than those living south of them?
It was my impression when I looking to buy a home. I looked all around the state. That was about 20 years ago. I remember lots of railroad tracks through the city and homes falling apart. The housing was dirt cheap.
 
It was my impression when I looking to buy a home. I looked all around the state. That was about 20 years ago. I remember lots of railroad tracks through the city and homes falling apart. The housing was dirt cheap.
There are areas of Lehi that have railroad tracks. Maybe you were just looking in bad areas? The population of Davis county has more than doubled since 1980. Why would that happen if homes were falling apart, railroad tracks everywhere, and the place was economically depressed?

Dirt cheap? I’d suggest you open up your Zillow app. You might be surprised. My parents Bought a home in Orem 20 years ago and still thought a few years ago that homes in salt lake and utah county were still going for $200,000 lol.
 
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