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You suck at this. Let me help. (nothing left out .. it's all there and in order)

Starting with your first post in this thread (or at least recently).

I suspect that more bad than good is done in the name of charity.

I suspect that those that give to charity see a lot of good it does.
I suspect those that don't give to charity feel it would be a waste anyway.

Like building lots of big buildings that are exempt from being taxed like other real estate?

As I said, those that give are more likely to see the good in things and those that don't, don't. I'm not debating the merits of any specific thing, but rather the psychological/philosophical side of the equation.

You have since edited this one, but ...
Some people know that a charity is bad , and they support it for their own selfish reasons.
You are generalizing. Different people are involved with charity for different reasons.

You are assuming that charity is good.
You are using circular reasoning.

I would agree that most people who donate to a charity because they want to be charitable tend to over value in their mind the supposed good that the charity does, and are relatively blind to the negative consequences of the charity.

My response to your's above.
I'm sure you're right.



I'm also in agreement that people have different motivations. I also agree that I was generalizing. No arguments from me so far.




How did you get that from what I posted? You're wrong on that one.



Really? Based on this post??

"I suspect that those that give to charity see a lot of good it does.
I suspect those that don't give to charity feel it would be a waste anyway."



Wow, that some jaded viewpoint there. I'm not sure how we got to debating whether charity is good or bad when all I said was it's in the eye of the beholder .. but you are seriously a crusty ol' hater if you actually believe that charity is more bad than good. JMO.

PKM, hurting me does not make you right. You are living in a fantasy world.

Both sentences are laughable.

- I hurt you, really?

- I live in a fantasy world because I think that some, but not all, things that come from charitable giving are good?

So, as you have stated, people who give charitably do so for selfish and evil reasons and those that handle the charities do so for selfish and evil reasons. Gotcha. (oh .. and wow.)

Your response: "You do not discuss the topic, but instead resort to calling me names in order to degrade my reputation and undermine my position." "No, this is totally different than what you said earlier." "Again, you are changing things around, saying I said things totally different from what i said."

Go back and read everything that was written. I betcha it sounds a hell of a lot more like what I just said than what you said above.


Originally Posted by PKM:. When I pay a tithe, I have complete confidence that God will do good with it .. it's just faith.
Yours: evidence

Originally Posted by PKM: As I said, those that give are more likely to see the good in things and those that don't, don't. I'm not debating the merits of any specific thing, but rather the psychological/philosophical side of the equation.
Yours: evidence

You make up stuff about what I said.
Why not disagree with something I actually said, instead of saying I said things I did not say, and mocking me for those things?

So after saying I was wrong to say that you think charity does more good than bad, you are saying that you do think charity does more good than bad, and mock me for thinking otherwise.... and yet you will not discuss this topic.
 
You suck at this. Let me help. (nothing left out .. it's all there and in order)

Starting with your first post in this thread (or at least recently).









You have since edited this one, but ...


My response to your's above.






Your response: "You do not discuss the topic, but instead resort to calling me names in order to degrade my reputation and undermine my position." "No, this is totally different than what you said earlier." "Again, you are changing things around, saying I said things totally different from what i said."




Originally Posted by PKM:. When I pay a tithe, I have complete confidence that God will do good with it .. it's just faith.
Yours: evidence

Originally Posted by PKM: As I said, those that give are more likely to see the good in things and those that don't, don't. I'm not debating the merits of any specific thing, but rather the psychological/philosophical side of the equation.
Yours: evidence

PKM doing multi-quoted work.
 
Neither one of us can be 'wrong' generally speaking, because the debate (at least as I understand it) is whether being charitable is a good thing. Whether more good is done through charities, than bad. I support that more good is done and, as I understand it, you feel more harm is done.

Is there a way to quantify who is wrong or right? I only find it amusing that you think the world would be better off without charity. I assume you feel the reverse is true of me.

Done with this silliness.
 
That's it, that's the only thing?
That is just a difference of opinion (with your opinion being one you denied having at first, and one admittedly based on blind faith, and by implication without any weighing of evidence.)

Where are all the incorrect or incoherent or delirious statements I made?

So everything else I said is valid?
 
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Where is the argument? This whole thing has been about my personal feeling that charity can do good work .. and does, though not always (and never said it always did). I then sinced immense negativity from northeast, not toward me, but toward being charitable.

northeast, you claim my feeling that charity can be good thing is merely blind faith. Are you suggesting that charities create more harm than good is based upon empirical data?
 
yes, I do, sorry, ha ha , good joke, smiley face.
also
personal attacks are not conjecture

You have got to be the whiniest poster on this forum. You should just go ahead and report me for calling you crusty, hater, incoherent, delirious and get it over with ... assuming you haven't already.
 
Since you ask, I do suggest that people are predisposed to thinking that charities are good , without thinking much about the full ramifications of having them, both good and bad. I think that the tax benefits afforded to charities generally do more harm than good.
 
good lawdy mama Archie moses, I positive repped you to even that up, just so you wouldn't cry anymore , but there you go again. jeeeeeeze. Plus i apologized, and explained I was just joking.
but you don't mention that do you?
My net rep towards you is neutral, admit it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11



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06-30-2012 09:30 PM
Archie Moses
Thread: Reputation Comments, positive and negative

You realize I am the original Moses, right? We're even now.
 
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Since you ask, I do suggest that people are predisposed to thinking that charities are good , without thinking much about the full ramifications of having them, both good and bad. I think that the tax benefits afforded to charities generally do more harm than good.

Is that based on the notion that taxing things makes things better in and of itself? I don't really understand what harm you think not taxing something has, unless you are opposed to what the charity does with the extra money.
 
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