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kennykyle said:
I don't work in retail, never have, but far be it from me to say "hey your job sucks, you are wasting your life, find another way to get through college loser."
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So, these are college jobs then?

I RETRACT ALL PREVIOUS STATEMENTS. THE MORMON CHURH HAS FOUND A SOLUTION TO OUR ECONOMIC WOES.
 
kennykyle said:
I don't work in retail, never have, but far be it from me to say "hey your job sucks, you are wasting your life, find another way to get through college loser."
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Clearly not what he said. That leads me to think that you have a personal experience with something along these lines and are overly sensative to the topic.
 
NAOS said:
So, these are college jobs then?

I RETRACT ALL PREVIOUS STATEMENTS. THE MORMON CHURH HAS FOUND A SOLUTION TO OUR ECONOMIC WOES.
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Welcome to the fold Brother NAOS. Turn your Hymn Book to page 197 please...
 
@KK:
You are only admitting that you don't have the stones to say what is economically and politically important. Your "anything goes, I'm just a dude" stance is more an admission of weakness and lack of education than it is a REAL POSITION.
 
NAOS said:
@KK:
You are only admitting that you don't have the stones to say what is economically and politically important. Your "anything goes, I'm just a dude" stance is more an admission of weakness and lack of education than it is a REAL POSITION.
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So what is your real position? I am very interested.
 
kennykyle said:
It definitely doesn't hurt the economic woes problem.
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kennykyle said:
So what is your real position? I am very interested.
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Despite what your common sense is telling you, it is ACTUALLY DEBATABLE whether a project like City Creek is good for the economic system. Over what time frame? What skills are people learning that might have "knock on" effects that further boost the economy?

I think most of the jobs are piss-poor college-aged jobs that don't do much to pay for the cost of tuition nor do they give people any skills. (And, don't give me the 'people skills' crap since I happen to know that most people learn they DON'T WANT a retail job in the future).

Some people think the only way out of this mess (wherein the State is making individuals bear the burden of sovereign debt) is through REAL POLITICAL CHANGE. If you think that way, then you actually might support youth unemployment rather than supporting their pacification with **** jobs. It's them that are going to take the consequences of this stuff with the greatest woes... they might as well start getting their heads around the issues (not selling bracelets made in China).
 
NAOS said:
Despite what your common sense is telling you, it is ACTUALLY DEBATABLE whether a project like City Creek is good for the economic system. Over what time frame? What skills are people learning that might have "knock on" effects that further boost the economy?

I think most of the jobs are piss-poor college-aged jobs that don't do much to pay for the cost of tuition nor do they give people any skills. (And, don't give me the 'people skills' crap since I happen to know that most people learn they DON'T WANT a retail job in the future).

Some people think the only way out of this mess (wherein the State is making individuals bear the burden of sovereign debt) is through REAL POLITICAL CHANGE. If you think that way, then you actually might support youth unemployment rather than supporting their pacification with **** jobs. It's them that are going to take the consequences of this stuff with the greatest woes... they might as well start getting their heads around the issues (not selling bracelets made in China).
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Do you truly honestly believe REAL POLITICAL CHANGE is realistic? And that being unemployed as a youth garners these skills you speak of? Sounds idiotic to me but to each his own.
 
kennykyle said:
Do you truly honestly believe REAL POLITICAL CHANGE is realistic? And that being unemployed as a youth garners these skills you speak of? Sounds idiotic to me but to each his own.
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So it doesn't sound "idiotic" to believe real political change is IMPOSSIBLE?

History shows that youth unemployment is an excellent way to change things. I guess you didn't know that.

Also, nice dodge of every single worthwhile thing I typed. I only typed it because you asked.
 
kennykyle said:
Do you truly honestly believe REAL POLITICAL CHANGE is realistic? And that being unemployed as a youth garners these skills you speak of? Sounds idiotic to me but to each his own.
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I do. I think it will only happen one way. The price is so high I think no one will be willing to pay it until their backs are literally against the wall.
 
Zombie said:
Right, because a church should spend billions of dollars "revitalizing" a city that is already many times more wealthy than most of the rest of the world. It baffles me that people who belong to a church of Jesus Christ, a man who stood for everything this revitalization project does not, aren't up in arms about this. Do you really think if the Savior was the one calling the shots this is how he'd choose to spend the church's money? Imagine how many schools in Africa could have been built, or starving children fed with these billions of dollars. It's sickening.

Edit: This isn't really a reply to the point you were making. Your post just kind of got me thinking.
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Noted. There has been much said about the priorities of the church, relative to this project, so I won't continue to beat that horse, but I get the sense that many view the church's financial model as one big pile of money that goes here and there, and that more of the pile went to a mall than goes to humanitarian endeavors. For example:

Beantown said:
Archie doesn't it seem odd the church has spent more money on a mall then in charitable donations?
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I think it's important to bear in mind that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is a different entity than The Corporation of the First Presidency, or what ever other business arms they operate. If my tithes and offerings were being used for urban renewal, rather than directly for church infrastructure and humanitarian reasons, I'd be pretty pissed. But (to my knowledge) they aren't. The church has specific interest in Salt Lake City and the economic health of downtown. So, their corporate arm acts on that interest.

pickledXgrandma said:
So conform to beliefs outside the religion to "revitalize" an LDS community? So should a wardhouse have an open bar to help "revitalize" the attendance to get non-members there?
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You're drawing a tenuous connection there, so I'm not sure how serious you are. But, I'll play along. As PKM pointed out, the church may hold the lease on the space these businesses use, but few, if any, are actually owned by the church. Would it be better if they nit picked and insisted that any business who wanted to be there had to conform to a rigid set of church rules? From a business standpoint, that would be insane. Doing so would alienate a huge portion of potential patrons, and then we'd be talking about how evil they are because they want to exclude everyone. Over the last several years, the church has gone to great lengths to try to unite with the community, rather than isolate from it.

pickledXgrandma said:
Did he say build a mall that serves alcohol and coffee?
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For the greater good? I might answer that question, Yes.
 
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