How the Mormons Make Money

[Archie Moses]

Then why make the thread in the first place? You know you will get those comments. If somebody dare makes you question your religion then you respond with anger and intolerance. Dare to look at the other view

Read the thread, pickledgrandma. I explain.

Sometimes it's hard to tolerate other's intolerance, or no?

 

[Scat]

It's absolutely fair game. I don't mean to come off as a jerk (sorry Zombie) but come on, give me a break. If you read the article, it clearly says why the church built it. Plus, it's not like the church doesn't spend millions/billions in humanitarianism, etc. I mean, the church founded Salt Lake City, and them spending money to make the city a better place and giving the citizens more to do, is pretty cool. Was it a lot of money? Yes. Can some people think they're vain for building it? Absolutely. But with that said, you're lying to yourself if you deny that what I was saying about people trying to make he church look evil every chance they get doesn't have some validity to it. Or doesn't it?

I've read that the "Mormon Mall" project was one of the major contributing factors to Utah's unemployment rate being lower than the national average. How can helping to keep the populace employed and fed be a bad thing?

 

[NAOS]

I think the really interesting point to discuss goes back to Mormon pioneering practices of collectives and wealth creation... the pre-runner to the corporate-private behemoth it is today. Back then, as today, they saw holiness in the practice of caring for one another in worldly ways. While I might disagree with the form it has taken, there is something to that view that I really appreciate (because it doesn't start with some castrating POV that all worldly acts are sin; you mustn't believe in this world, you must leave it).

^ that **** in the parentheses is bananas, if you ask me ^

I also think it is interesting how they put Mormon charity into perspective. I'm surprised there hasn't been more discussion on this already; the article puts a miserly spin on the organization.

 

[Archie Moses]

I've read that the "Mormon Mall" project was one of the major contributing factors to Utah's unemployment rate being lower than the national average. How can helping to keep the populace employed and fed be a bad thing?

It's apparently a terrible thing, you intolerant religious hack. They should have built school in Africa.

 

[pickledXgrandma]

Yeah, how awful that they participated in a revitalization project that didn't cater to their membership only.

Have your wife read the article to you slowly, and maybe you'll get it.

So conform to beliefs outside the religion to "revitalize" an LDS community? So should a wardhouse have an open bar to help "revitalize" the attendance to get non-members there?

 

[Dr. Jones]

Gods, does PKM apologize in every single post of his? Grow a goddamn backbone, pops.

Never on non-religious topics. However, this topic is one that I care to be sure there's no misunderstandings.

I'm sorry if that offends you. I really, really, am.

 

[Archie Moses]

Last thing I'll write on the matter. I don't care if people dislike, don't believe, or whatever that's contrary to my beliefs. That's not the point I tried to make. I make fun of a lot of things I believe, and I feel I've been good to admit and own up to a lot of that. My problem (which is apparent a lot of you aren't understand save PKM) is that people try to spin something as evil or bad. I don't get that, but I guess it makes me intolerant, so apologize if I came off as a dick to several of you.

I love you guys. Nothing but love. (except for NUMerica...hehepeepeecaca... I can't tolerate that guy.)

 

[Dr. Jones]

Gods, does PKM apologize in every single post of his? Grow a goddamn backbone, pops.

All muslims suck and are suicide-bombing hacks full of insanity and ugly as hell. Oh, and eat my dust.

 

[NAOS]

One thing I'd like to add to the article:

There are some bloody geniuses that work in the real estate acquisition department ("genius" here is highly restricted). In all my time in South America, from small town to small town, the LDS have their churches built in the spots that are certain to accrue value as long as this whole global economy keeps chugging. Amazing locations. Well scouted.

 

[Archie Moses]

All muslims suck and are suicide-bombing hacks full of insanity and ugly as hell. Oh, and eat my dust.

I don't know if I agree with that, but I do think that Dalamon is one weird son of a bitch. I mean, I want to like the guy, but put a g.d. shirt on already and stop rapping....errr...making yourself look like a fool in front of Ann.

 

[pickledXgrandma]

Last thing I'll write on the matter. I don't care if people dislike, don't believe, or whatever that's contrary to my beliefs. That's not the point I tried to make. I make fun of a lot of things I believe, and I feel I've been good to admit and own up to a lot of that. My problem (which is apparent a lot of you aren't understand save PKM) is that people try to spin something as evil or bad. I don't get that, but I guess it makes me intolerant, so apologize if I came off as a dick to several of you.

I love you guys. Nothing but love. (except for NUMerica...hehepeepeecaca... I can't tolerate that guy.)

Luv ya man. let's just all remember that what nobody thinks we still have to be humans to each other, and that includes having love in our hearts and caring for anybody and everybody. We can all be more tolerant, this is a great time to exist and diversity makes us.

 

[squareinthecircle]

Last thing I'll write on the matter. I don't care if people dislike, don't believe, or whatever that's contrary to my beliefs. That's not the point I tried to make. I make fun of a lot of things I believe, and I feel I've been good to admit and own up to a lot of that. My problem (which is apparent a lot of you aren't understand save PKM) is that people try to spin something as evil or bad. I don't get that, but I guess it makes me intolerant, so apologize if I came off as a dick to several of you.

I love you guys. Nothing but love. (except for NUMerica...hehepeepeecaca... I can't tolerate that guy.)

Way to step up. Yes viewing people or groups as being "evil" can be a dangerous thing. Once branded that way it makes it easier to excuse behaviors people normally would not take part in. I saw an interview a while back in which an author mentioned that a couple of decades ago that while there was a two party system, there wasn't the division there is today. He said that somewhere along the line the respective parties started viewing each other as "evil" and that deepened the divide between the two parties.

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

I'm sure if the church gave all it's money to Africa and slowly crumbled to nothing, you'd still be bitching.

Oh, and cry harder.

Is it just me or is there a trend of posters that follow LDS threads and ALWAYS try and make the church "evil" and "bad" and "wrong" as if they're trying to justify their reasoning and/or hate/intolerance for it?

Here's a message to those whiney school girls. Shut your pie hole and quit playing the "LDS people and church is so, so evil" card. We get it that you don't like it, we're just tired of hearing you yip.

Dude, seriously, I only notice one person bitching in this thread and throwing the "evil" card around. If zombie said the exact same thing about the Catholic church and its expansive land holdings and finances would you consider his comment "evil?" I wouldn't. I don't think he was trying to bash or call our church evil. Thicken your skin.

Now...

It's absolutely fair game. I don't mean to come off as a jerk (sorry Zombie) but come on, give me a break. If you read the article, it clearly says why the church built it. Plus, it's not like the church doesn't spend millions/billions in humanitarianism, etc. I mean, the church founded Salt Lake City, and them spending money to make the city a better place and giving the citizens more to do, is pretty cool. Was it a lot of money? Yes. Can some people think they're vain for building it? Absolutely. But with that said, you're lying to yourself if you deny that what I was saying about people trying to make he church look evil every chance they get doesn't have some validity to it. Or doesn't it?

Millions, yes. Billions, hardly. I've posted these links before, but I'll post them again:

https://www.providentliving.org/welfare/pdf/WelfareFactSheet.pdf

1985 - 2009 (so 25 years):

Humanitarian Aid in Cash: $327.6 Million

Humanitarian Aid in Material Assistance: $884.6 Million

Total: $1.13 Billion in 25 years. Yes, they reached a billion, but it took 25 years.

Roughly $45.2 Million/year, but I bet it has increased as the years have gone on to account for inflation.

Canadian tithing funds given to BYU in 2010: 102 Million.

https://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/ebci/haip...k%3Dlatter-day%26amp%3Bb%3Dtrue%26amp%3Bp%3D2

UK tithing funds (where it's a "hard" mission and not growing):

https://www.charity-commission.gov....steredCharityNumber=274605&SubsidiaryNumber=0

City Creek Spending from 2003 - 2012: $2-3 Billion.

Does the church do a lot of good? Absolutely. As do its members who contribute tens of thousands of hours a year. However, it's easy to see why people might be critical of the church's financial priorities or not understand their financial decisions. Relax.

 

[Zombie]

I hate the idea that we should all suffer so long as any of us suffer. It seems like a noble notion, but it's pure evil.

That's not even close to what I'm suggesting. To me it's a matter of proportion. From the LDS.org Humanitarianism fact sheet "From 1985 to 2011, LDS Charities provided more than $1.4 billion in
assistance to nearly 30 million people in 179 countries".
So on one hand we have about one and a half billion dollars towards aid over a period of over twenty-five years, and over three times that amount on a shopping center in the last decade alone. This doesn't seem out of wack?
Edit:Sorry Mcgibblets just saw you posted pretty much this. I should read entire threads before posting .

 

[franklin]

Assasinate the current leadership?

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Now that you and Scat have mentioned it, I'm pretty sure Zombie was calling for the LDS version of The Crusades. Why are you instigating holy wars, Zombie?

 

[Zombie]

Is it just me or is there a trend of posters that follow LDS threads and ALWAYS try and make the church "evil" and "bad" and "wrong" as if they're trying to justify their reasoning and/or hate/intolerance for it?

Here's a message to those whiney school girls. Shut your pie hole and quit playing the "LDS people and church is so, so evil" card. We get it that you don't like it, we're just tired of hearing you yip.

Give me a break dude. You started this thread, don't pretend like this isn't exactly what you expected (wanted?) to happen.

 

[Zombie]

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Now that you and Scat have mentioned it, I'm pretty sure Zombie was calling for the LDS version of The Crusades. Why are you instigating holy wars, Zombie?

S***s and gigs.

 

[Scat]

One thing I'd like to add to the article:

There are some bloody geniuses that work in the real estate acquisition department ("genius" here is highly restricted). In all my time in South America, from small town to small town, the LDS have their churches built in the spots that are certain to accrue value as long as this whole global economy keeps chugging. Amazing locations. Well scouted.

Scouting? God told them where to build the churches.

 

[pickledXgrandma]

Scouting? God told them where to build the churches.

Did he say build a mall that serves alcohol and coffee?

 

[Zombie]

Last thing I'll write on the matter. I don't care if people dislike, don't believe, or whatever that's contrary to my beliefs. That's not the point I tried to make. I make fun of a lot of things I believe, and I feel I've been good to admit and own up to a lot of that. My problem (which is apparent a lot of you aren't understand save PKM) is that people try to spin something as evil or bad. I don't get that, but I guess it makes me intolerant, so apologize if I came off as a dick to several of you.

I love you guys. Nothing but love. (except for NUMerica...hehepeepeecaca... I can't tolerate that guy.)

I can get behind this. I also want to make clear that although I am usually on the other side of these kinds of discussions from you, I feel that if whatever religion works for you and makes you happy, then cool beans. My whole family is mormon and it works for them and I am genuinely happy for them that it does. That doesn't, however, mean that I agree with everything the lds church does, and it doesn't keep me from discussing my disagreements when the subject comes up.