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How will the offensive foul changes affect the Jazz?

SoberasHotRod said:
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I think this is bad for the Jazz. Donovan Mitchell has gotten pretty good at these tricks and even Mike Conley used the old rules to their advantage. Other teams will be more affected than us though.

It's a huge win for the fans though, and makes the games much more watchable. Scoring probably goes down a little, but that's ok.

Also, nice work by Andy Larsen on the article.
 
I think these are pretty general stuff we see from most players league wide. These are things I’ve wanted addressed for years. Question is will the refs abide by this with star players. This will screw over harden for sure though. Lol
 
Haven’t read the article so I’ll just go ahead and speak with my ignorant bias:

We identify problems and ask the league to do something, which empowers the league to have the ability to exert more control over the game, all under the umbrella of correction. But it just empowers selective enforcement and gives them more power to put the finger on the scale. More selective enforcement. James Harden’s game suffers as the result of rule changes/emphases? GTFOOH.

It inevitably leads to the expansion of “that call could go either way,” which is fine, totally reasonable, and completely understandable, except that all those calls that “could go either way” end up 75+% of the time going one way.

I’m going to guess reading the article will piss me off more, so I’ll stay in my ignorance and angst.
 
FAILED STATE said:
If I had 1000 ears, this would be music to every single one of them. Let’s hope the league can adopt and stick with every single one of these.
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Yeah hopefully better than their "crack-down" on flopping that lasted right up until the first time LeBron flopped (after the supposed rule-change... obviously the first time LeBron ever flopped was the day he took his first steps), then it was just chucked out the window.
 
infection said:
Haven’t read the article so I’ll just go ahead and speak with my ignorant bias:

We identify problems and ask the league to do something, which empowers the league to have the ability to exert more control over the game, all under the umbrella of correction. But it just empowers selective enforcement and gives them more power to put the finger on the scale. More selective enforcement. James Harden’s game suffers as the result of rule changes/emphases? GTFOOH.

It inevitably leads to the expansion of “that call could go either way,” which is fine, totally reasonable, and completely understandable, except that all those calls that “could go either way” end up 75+% of the time going one way.

I’m going to guess reading the article will piss me off more, so I’ll stay in my ignorance and angst.
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I'm choosing to be positive. The stars are the ones most often abusing the current rules, so this seems to be disproportionately directed at them.

The other, maybe unintentional, consequence is that players can actually play defense, which I'm all for.
 
Seems like they put an emphasis on new rules for a few games into the new season, and then things tend to revert a bit. It really just depends on how consistent they are throughout the season.
 
If they actually follow through on this it will clean up the game a lot. Of course they never followed through on the flopping thing so I don't have a lot of hope. When your star players start to get affected and mad about it, it'll just drift back to what we had
 
The average fickle jackass (the true demographic they’re looking for, since the rest of us are watching regardless) tunes in to see Harden drop 50, and not to watch Exum play defense. The league has no interest in enforcing rules that make it more likely to have Exum play better defense on Harden.
 
Wish I could’ve been a fly on the wall when harden watched these videos or someone explained these rules to him, l can imagine his reaction and the look on his face, like wtf man!!! Lol. I hope they do a game of zones episode of this. Lol
 
It's already a good sign that the league considers it a problem and tries to react. We have to wait and see how consistently it will get called in real life. I just hope it won't end up in calling 20% of Harden's flops and 80% of Donovan's...
 
LogGrad98 said:
Yeah hopefully better than their "crack-down" on flopping that lasted right up until the first time LeBron flopped (after the supposed rule-change... obviously the first time LeBron ever flopped was the day he took his first steps), then it was just chucked out the window.
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In general I think we participate less in the bull **** fouls... we likely benefit from anything that cracks down on the BS... so I think we are better off.

I also think we won't see much difference. The way the game is officiated is too litigious. I think they could do better by just saying "hey is this basketball?" and calling the game that way. Like when a guy nudges into a player and because he is able to stand as a statue and go limp as he hits the ground that is a foul... but really that's not basketball. Guy jumps backwards/sideways whatever... that's not basketball. Harden raises his arms up to a defenders hand that is literally at his shoulders and then flops like a fish.. that's not basketball.
 
The challenge is going to be in enforcing these changes. We've all been begging for changes like this for a number of years. Intentionally initiating contact for the sole purpose of trying to draw a foul is about as boring a basketball gets.
 
The changes all look good to me and overdue. Some of them seem more like no calls than offensive fouls but it will be interesting to see if this really sticks.
 
I swear they already said they'd enforce the kicking your leg out to draw a foul move, so I'm not optimistic they'll enforce these for too long. Even if it hurts the Jazz, I hope they will, that **** is infuriating.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
In general I think we participate less in the bull **** fouls... we likely benefit from anything that cracks down on the BS... so I think we are better off.

I also think we won't see much difference. The way the game is officiated is too litigious. I think they could do better by just saying "hey is this basketball?" and calling the game that way. Like when a guy nudges into a player and because he is able to stand as a statue and go limp as he hits the ground that is a foul... but really that's not basketball. Guy jumps backwards/sideways whatever... that's not basketball. Harden raises his arms up to a defenders hand that is literally at his shoulders and then flops like a fish.. that's not basketball.
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Sounds like from the video clips that's more of the stance they are trying to take. Identifying if it's a legitimate basketball play or not and calling it accordingly.

I have next to no faith it will change much but I appreciate that they at least are trying something else.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Wish I could’ve been a fly on the wall when harden watched these videos or someone explained these rules to him, l can imagine his reaction and the look on his face, like wtf man!!! Lol. I hope they do a game of zones episode of this. Lol
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His reaction was "huh, that's cute. Changes nothing." And he will continue to flop his way to the foul line.
 
Will it really though or is this just something they call in the preseason and then the officials will shove their collective heads up their asses once the season starts like usual.
 
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