NAOS
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Yeah. Some zone. It was hard to see the commitment to the schema—from coaches thru players. That’s why I didn’t even mention it.
How would you counter small ball?
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Maybe if we knew how to play a zone we wouldn’t look so clueless against it.
That’s probably asking a lot.
NAOS
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Simmer down.
Lucky for you, praying it away is exactly the strategy we’ll be employing. We’ll be hiring a new FO guy who is specifically over prayer.
Hearsky
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You can't counter small ball. Don't even try.
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Even if you do have smaller *********, it makes little difference in fertility. More importantly, there’s no medically proven method to increase your ******** size.
********* do expand temporarily during sex, when blood is flowing to your genitals. Once you’ve climaxed, they return to normal size.
Many supposedly successful methods for increasing the size of your ********* are only hearsay. They can cause much more harm than good. So let’s look at some misguided methods to avoid and what to do instead if you’re concerned about fertility.
Many of these exercises are also dangerous. Here are some commonly touted “bigger balls” exercises that might harm you:
Trying to Grow ********* with Exercise and Supplements Is Unproven and Risky
Overview
No set of ********* is exactly the same size as another.On average, a single ******** is an average length of about 4.5 to 5.1 centimeters (about 1.8 to 2 inches).Trusted Source Overall, the typical ******** measures about 4 x 3 x 2 centimeters (about 1.6 x 1.2 x 0.8 inches).Trusted Source One may even be bigger than the other, which is completely normal.
********* aren’t considered small unless they’re under 3.5 centimeters (about 1.4 inches).Trusted Source
Even if you do have smaller *********, it makes little difference in fertility. More importantly, there’s no medically proven method to increase your ******** size.
********* do expand temporarily during sex, when blood is flowing to your genitals. Once you’ve climaxed, they return to normal size.
Many supposedly successful methods for increasing the size of your ********* are only hearsay. They can cause much more harm than good. So let’s look at some misguided methods to avoid and what to do instead if you’re concerned about fertility.
Bigger balls exercise doesn’t exist
The bottom line: No exercises will make your balls bigger.Many of these exercises are also dangerous. Here are some commonly touted “bigger balls” exercises that might harm you:
- Scrotum manipulation. Many exercises tell you to tug on your scrotum skin (the sack that holds your *********). Pulling too hard on your scrotum can damage skin, nerves, or blood vessels. This can result in intense pain, soreness, aching, and even bleeding inside the scrotum.
- Rubbing, massaging, and squeezing. Pushing or squeezing the ********* can be uncomfortable and even painful if you do it too hard. Injury or damage to the ********* can also affect your sperm count, as sperm are produced in the testicular tissue.
- Hanging weights on your scrotum. This is more commonly recommended for penis stretching, but some tips out there say that hanging light weights on your scrotum skin can help make your ********* look bigger. This has no effect on your actual ******** size and may cause scrotal tissue damage.
- Injections. Injecting botulinum toxin (Botox) into your scrotum to make your ********* look bigger is an increasingly common practice. Because it’s a neurotoxin, injecting Botox can lead to long-term complications like blurred vision, difficulty swallowing or speaking, fatigue, and even an irregular heartbeat.
- Surgery. Plastic surgery procedures to tighten scrotum skin or make the sack look bigger are also becoming more common. As with any surgery, there’s a chance of complications like infection, injury, or tissue death (necrosis). Side effects from anesthesia can include dizziness, drowsiness, or vomiting.
I think we've proven pretty definitively that leaving a 40% 3pt shooter wide open, even if they are a bench player, is a bad strategy.
This somehow caught me off guard and I laughed really hard out loud. The wife didn't think it was nearly as funny.
gomretat
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Where do I apply. I would love that job.
Defensively, there isn't much you can do as the roster is currently constructed. There isn't one scheme that fits all against 5-out offense. Best bet would be the shrink the floor, switch and contain dribble but that is still going to give up pull-up 3s and Clips have players that can hit those and you may not even contain the dribble.
Jazz has too many players who have zero understanding of basic defensive concepts. Watching Clarkson look for his guy after basic spread in half court offense was too painful. Or Mitchell constantly misevaluating the distance he needs between him and the guy he is defending. Or Ingles giving up after the first rotation. Jazz just need better perimeter defenders.
Offensively, Jazz need deep seals, more guard screen action and attacking and ball movement buf the offense wasn't that bad anyways. Jazz had a pretty Ortg iirc.
Jazz has too many players who have zero understanding of basic defensive concepts. Watching Clarkson look for his guy after basic spread in half court offense was too painful. Or Mitchell constantly misevaluating the distance he needs between him and the guy he is defending. Or Ingles giving up after the first rotation. Jazz just need better perimeter defenders.
Offensively, Jazz need deep seals, more guard screen action and attacking and ball movement buf the offense wasn't that bad anyways. Jazz had a pretty Ortg iirc.
I've thought about this a lot, and honestly it's still painful to think about game 6. I'm definitely not a great basketball mind, but here are some things I've considered:
- I'm hoping Rudy Gay will help as a secondary paint defender/rebounder. I'm not sure how that helps against 5 out offenses, but maybe rotations/help defense become easier with two defenders that aren't helpless in the paint.
- If I were Quin I would spend large portions of training camp on working on a defensive scheme with switches and smart and quick defensive rotations. We have to have a changeup defensive strategy that doesn't look completely awful. I do believe we will see more and more teams give us 5 out looks this year. Even if the team isn't good enough to make it effective, we should use the opportunity to give us experience with different defensive schemes.
- In the situation where our main rotation is incapable of learning a different defensive scheme, and this is probably a bad idea, but maybe we have a designated hockey like rotation defensive substitution that is specifically designed to disrupt 5 out. Maybe like Royce, Oni, Hughes, Forrest, Paschall. Their only goal woudl be to fly around and be super agressive defensively. You could only play them a minute or two at a time, because of how bad they would be offensively, but maybe they throw off the other team's rythm.
- Maybe with better load management our guards would be be more capable of defending the peremiter in the post season. I think Conley has shown he can stay in front of his guy when healthy. I know Donovan is capable of playing good man to man defense (I have no hope for his team defense). Maybe a better rested Joe Ingles can get back to being a capable defender. With more offensive options off the bench, maybe Quin has the leverage to not play Clarkson if he isn't capable of playing passable perimiter defense.
- Ultimately I'm hoping our front office can still pull off a trade for a peremiter defender that doesn't screw up our offense. Or maybe there is another Royce/Joe Ingles out there to be discovered that could fill that role.
- I'm hoping Rudy Gay will help as a secondary paint defender/rebounder. I'm not sure how that helps against 5 out offenses, but maybe rotations/help defense become easier with two defenders that aren't helpless in the paint.
- If I were Quin I would spend large portions of training camp on working on a defensive scheme with switches and smart and quick defensive rotations. We have to have a changeup defensive strategy that doesn't look completely awful. I do believe we will see more and more teams give us 5 out looks this year. Even if the team isn't good enough to make it effective, we should use the opportunity to give us experience with different defensive schemes.
- In the situation where our main rotation is incapable of learning a different defensive scheme, and this is probably a bad idea, but maybe we have a designated hockey like rotation defensive substitution that is specifically designed to disrupt 5 out. Maybe like Royce, Oni, Hughes, Forrest, Paschall. Their only goal woudl be to fly around and be super agressive defensively. You could only play them a minute or two at a time, because of how bad they would be offensively, but maybe they throw off the other team's rythm.
- Maybe with better load management our guards would be be more capable of defending the peremiter in the post season. I think Conley has shown he can stay in front of his guy when healthy. I know Donovan is capable of playing good man to man defense (I have no hope for his team defense). Maybe a better rested Joe Ingles can get back to being a capable defender. With more offensive options off the bench, maybe Quin has the leverage to not play Clarkson if he isn't capable of playing passable perimiter defense.
- Ultimately I'm hoping our front office can still pull off a trade for a peremiter defender that doesn't screw up our offense. Or maybe there is another Royce/Joe Ingles out there to be discovered that could fill that role.
The Jazz Wonderbra
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The Clippers pulled Gobert off his man every time they penetrated. Gobert played on the perimeter but cheated in to the paint to support. When he cheated they hit his man. Gobert is tremendous in the paint and couldn't support on the wing. Every time they penetrate they are watching Gobert to kick to his man. He can't guard both. We all saw it.
So, why not just have Gobert stay in the post area where he is most effective? Just keep him down there with the sole purpose of stopping layups from whoever penetrates. The other 4 players play a 4 out zone designed to take the 3 point shot out of the game. No uncontested 3 point shots and 4 players running the perimeter to do it. The ball can't travel fast enough around the perimeter to beat 4 perimeter defends.
If a player beats them on the dribble and penetrates, so be it. We allow them to continue on to Gobert. So, what are we giving up then? WIDE OPEN 20 FOOT JUMPERS OFF THE DRIBBLE. That's what our defense is predicated on. That's what we want statistically. It's way better than uncontested 3s.
That's my adjustment. Until I see it done, I won't be satisfied that we will advance in the playoffs.
So, why not just have Gobert stay in the post area where he is most effective? Just keep him down there with the sole purpose of stopping layups from whoever penetrates. The other 4 players play a 4 out zone designed to take the 3 point shot out of the game. No uncontested 3 point shots and 4 players running the perimeter to do it. The ball can't travel fast enough around the perimeter to beat 4 perimeter defends.
If a player beats them on the dribble and penetrates, so be it. We allow them to continue on to Gobert. So, what are we giving up then? WIDE OPEN 20 FOOT JUMPERS OFF THE DRIBBLE. That's what our defense is predicated on. That's what we want statistically. It's way better than uncontested 3s.
That's my adjustment. Until I see it done, I won't be satisfied that we will advance in the playoffs.
I wouldn't say we all saw it. There's at least one prominent person who appears to have not seen it.
The last time we played the Clippers they played the 5 out down the stretch and we lost on the same thing. A number of people said that Lue tipped his hand and Quin obviously didn't show any response because he didn't want to tip his hand to what he would pull out in post-season. A positive spin was that we now believed we could game plan on that. So with that knowledge, what did Quin pull out of his pocket? Nothing. Which is why I have a hard time thinking that if he had that kind of foreknowledge and made no changes over 6 games, why would he make a change now? Why would he see it any differently?
NAOS
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One answer to your question comes out of the fact that the Quin—DL feud is over. There are some ways I can let this fact adjust my expectations. But, yeah, lots of me is ready to see (not accept) the same thing we’ve been getting.
How many years did it take for Bud to change a little bit? Should we start a countdown for Q?
toddychurch
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Box-and-one defense is a type of defenseused in basketball. The box-and-one defense is a hybrid between a man-to-man defense (in which each defensive player is responsible for marking a player on the other team) and a zone defense (in which each defensive player is responsible for guarding an area of the court).
Use a modified box and one where Rudy guards the paint and the other four play a perimeter zone/ focus on passing lanes. Either the small ball team takes long threes or they drive into Rudy who will contest anything within 15-18 feet.
Use a modified box and one where Rudy guards the paint and the other four play a perimeter zone/ focus on passing lanes. Either the small ball team takes long threes or they drive into Rudy who will contest anything within 15-18 feet.
Woah, easy there. This is what separates the pros from the fans. We need to sit back and allow those with expertise to try the same formula again. We need larger sample sizes than season-ending results.
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Technically that's just a 2-3 zone with focus on the perimeter. We did that in high school some because we had a 6'10" dude in the middle so the rest of us could roam.
homeytennis
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My thought is go to a double low post offense with the bigs. The Jazz have the manpower to do it with Rudy, Whiteside and Dok. The Rockets used it when they had Akeem and Sampson and I forgot who their third big was. This would create its own matchup problems both offensively and defensively for the other team and the league is going away from this so if the other coach wants to have Rudy or Whiteside guarded by a 6'4" dude good luck with that.
Well the plan was after Rudy helped, the player he helped would rotate to Rudy's guy. We did for a few games and was successful, Clips played a little faster and more decisive and our perimeter players either couldn't keep up or gave up.
I really really abhor talking about Jazz vs Clippers series. Ugh.