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How would you counter small ball?

Hekate said:
Well the plan was after Rudy helped, the player he helped would rotate to Rudy's guy. We did for a few games and was successful, Clips played a little faster and more decisive and our perimeter players either couldn't keep up or gave up.

I really really abhor talking about Jazz vs Clippers series. Ugh.
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Jazz should have switched more. The perimeter D was so laughably bad.
 
I'm just glad we used this off-season to address our biggest problem in perimeter D.

Oh wait...

:(
 
Hekate said:
Well the plan was after Rudy helped, the player he helped would rotate to Rudy's guy. We did for a few games and was successful, Clips played a little faster and more decisive and our perimeter players either couldn't keep up or gave up.

I really really abhor talking about Jazz vs Clippers series. Ugh.
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When we were rotating well we got off to a 20+ pt lead. I think the Clippers made a small adjustment of putting Mann on the far corner, making it more difficult to rotate. It's also possible/ likely that the Don/Mike injuries got progressively worse, making it harder to rotate. (Gobert actually got a little banged up in the first half as well).

The fact that Quin and the players couldn't adjust to this is getting me a little heated just thinking about it. I need to take a break, but yeah, I thinking the key is teaching the players how to make smart and quick rotations.
 
infection said:
Woah, easy there. This is what separates the pros from the fans. We need to sit back and allow those with expertise to try the same formula again. We need larger sample sizes than season-ending results.
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I’m detecting sarcasm but if not you’re right I’m a fan but I just wanted to provide my 2 cents. In the end we just need better smarter perimeter defensive schemes.
 
toddychurch said:
I’m detecting sarcasm but if not you’re right I’m a fan but I just wanted to provide my 2 cents. In the end we just need better smarter perimeter defensive schemes.
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They need to be genius level unless a couple of our guys suddenly became actual perimeter defenders.
 
Hearsky said:
You can't counter small ball. Don't even try.

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There are some mom jokes in there. Lots of low hanging fruit waiting to be picked by HH
 
toddychurch said:
I’m detecting sarcasm but if not you’re right I’m a fan but I just wanted to provide my 2 cents. In the end we just need better smarter perimeter defensive schemes.
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It was sarcasm without a doubt. Im certain he mostly liked and agreed with your plan.
 
Either go small ourselves with: Donovan Jingles Bojan Royce and Paschall.

Or bring on low post threat like Whiteside(assuming he's still got gas in his tank) and feed him the ball.
 
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The best way to beat it is to go big and punish them down low but unfortunately we have nobody that can score down there. It’s why I’m so adamant about Rudy developing a single post move. Sadly he’s incapable.
 
Rick Carlisle had some success in their series against the Clipper's small ball going extra big with Boban and Porzingis. Unfortunately we don't have the personnel to do this. Porzingis is basically a wing.
 
Did anyone say "Glock" yet?
 
There are only a handful of NBA C's that take advantage of "mismatches" on switches. Those are the same guys who score on the Rudy in the post too. It just doesn't happen because it's not effective. It's not as simple as pass it to a tall guy and he scores on a smaller guy. Even a guy as skilled as Ayton didn't post up against smaller mismatches. He scored a lot against small ball, but it's because his guards got dribble penetration and dished it off to him because the smaller defender can't effectively defend the paint like a drop center would.

Besides, the Jazz offense cooked small ball defense. I have no idea why people think this is an offensive issue. Did anyone see us have a historic failure on defense? Or did we forget that because we got Rudy Gay??? We need to defend better. If we could defend at an average level we might be champions, but Quin's horrific coaching and inability to adjust couldn't get us to that average level.

I've said this all along, but the Jazz have to be more versatile with their schemes and change their defensive principles. Playing defense in the RS is easy. The guy on the ball can freely let his guy go past him because it's just a bait. You're met with Rudy who can easily defend the big and dribble penetration at the same time. Everyone else is staying home so there's no kickout for 3 and the offense is forced to take a floater or meet Rudy at the rim. It's the perfect defense for our personnel that is incredibly effective against the right teams.

But when you go against 5 out and teams play away from Rudy like the Clippers did, those defensive principles turn into bad habits that create a defensive nightmare. Guys like Reggie Jackson (who had a great playoffs tbf) are walking past our "best" perimeter defenders because our perimeter defenders have been letting that happen by design all year. When they do provide some resistance, Rudy is overhelping and leaving his guy open because he's been doing that all year. Even when the help is justified from Rudy, which is nearly every play because our on ball defense is non-existent, there is no concept of rotating to help Rudy's guy and cover for each other. Instead, everyone is still staying home on their guy like a statue. Why? Same answer, because it's the only thing we do on defense.

There's been no versatility over the years. We have a system that works against most teams, but if the other team has the right personnel they can very easily expose us. My biggest concern with this team is that Quin does nothing and stays stubborn as he always has. It will once again be effective during the RS because Rudy might be the greatest defensive player of all time, but it will once again be exposed as a gimmick scheme come playoff time. You simply cannot play defense with one player in the playoffs, I don't care who that player is. Quin needs to create better defensive habits and actually have his guys capable of playing as a team. No more standing around like statues on and off the ball. They have to be a connected unit.
 
KqWIN said:
There are only a handful of NBA C's that take advantage of "mismatches" on switches. Those are the same guys who score on the Rudy in the post too. It just doesn't happen because it's not effective. It's not as simple as pass it to a tall guy and he scores on a smaller guy. Even a guy as skilled as Ayton didn't post up against smaller mismatches. He scored a lot against small ball, but it's because his guards got dribble penetration and dished it off to him because the smaller defender can't effectively defend the paint like a drop center would.

Besides, the Jazz offense cooked small ball defense. I have no idea why people think this is an offensive issue. Did anyone see us have a historic failure on defense? Or did we forget that because we got Rudy Gay??? We need to defend better. If we could defend at an average level we might be champions, but Quin's horrific coaching and inability to adjust couldn't get us to that average level.

I've said this all along, but the Jazz have to be more versatile with their schemes and change their defensive principles. Playing defense in the RS is easy. The guy on the ball can freely let his guy go past him because it's just a bait. You're met with Rudy who can easily defend the big and dribble penetration at the same time. Everyone else is staying home so there's no kickout for 3 and the offense is forced to take a floater or meet Rudy at the rim. It's the perfect defense for our personnel that is incredibly effective against the right teams.

But when you go against 5 out and teams play away from Rudy like the Clippers did, those defensive principles turn into bad habits that create a defensive nightmare. Guys like Reggie Jackson (who had a great playoffs tbf) are walking past our "best" perimeter defenders because our perimeter defenders have been letting that happen by design all year. When they do provide some resistance, Rudy is overhelping and leaving his guy open because he's been doing that all year. Even when the help is justified from Rudy, which is nearly every play because our on ball defense is non-existent, there is no concept of rotating to help Rudy's guy and cover for each other. Instead, everyone is still staying home on their guy like a statue. Why? Same answer, because it's the only thing we do on defense.

There's been no versatility over the years. We have a system that works against most teams, but if the other team has the right personnel they can very easily expose us. My biggest concern with this team is that Quin does nothing and stays stubborn as he always has. It will once again be effective during the RS because Rudy might be the greatest defensive player of all time, but it will once again be exposed as a gimmick scheme come playoff time. You simply cannot play defense with one player in the playoffs, I don't care who that player is. Quin needs to create better defensive habits and actually have his guys capable of playing as a team. No more standing around like statues on and off the ball. They have to be a connected unit.
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You need to assimilate to the “just be healthy” point of view. The above is only an appropriate view if/when Quin gets fired and the talking heads gaslight us with hindsight and say “of course, it was obvious. We all know/saw it.”
 
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