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Hundreds of Scientists Say Climate Change Is Not Science, CO2 Is Benign

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>Lol, watch the lefties stick their head in the sand!


Hundreds of scientists and policy experts sent a letter to President Donald Trump asking him to withdraw from a major United Nations environmental treaty [UN Convention on Climate Change aka UNFCCC] ratified during the Bush administration.

Their letter states that “warming from increased atmospheric CO2 will be benign — much less than initial model predictions.”

More than 300 eminent scientists signed the letter. Scientists are now free to tell the truth that climate change is not science, carbon dioxide, a gas essential for life, must not be targeted.

The scientists want his to pull out of the treaty completely. CO2 is not a pollutant.

CO2 “is not a pollutant but a major benefit to agriculture and other life on Earth,” reads the petition, obtained by The Daily Caller News Foundation. “Observations since the UNFCCC was written 25 years ago show that warming from increased atmospheric CO2 will be benign — much less than initial model predictions.”

Obama signed the agreement last November and promised to cut CO2 to 26%.

“Since 2009, the US and other governments have undertaken actions with respect to global climate that are not scientifically justified and that already have, and will continue to cause serious social and economic harm—with no environmental benefits,” reads a separate letter written by Richard Lindzen, a climatologist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT).

“While we support effective, affordable, reasonable and direct controls on conventional environmental pollutants, carbon dioxide is not a pollutant,” Lindzen wrote in his letter, supplementing the petition.

“To the contrary, there is clear evidence that increased atmospheric carbon dioxide is environmentally helpful to food crops and other plants that nourish all life. It is plant food, not poison,” Lindzen wrote.

Increasingly, scientists are finding the world has actually greened in the past few decades largely due to increased CO2 emissions into the atmosphere. CO2 fertilization is even greening some of the world’s most arid regions.

The Senate ratified the UNFCCC in 1992, and there’s not a ton of legal precedent on what the procedure would be for withdrawing from such a treaty.

Two months ago a group of 800 scientists called on Trump to stay party to the Paris agreement. Those scientists claim pulling out of Paris would “undermine our best chance to avoid dangerous climate change.”

“The United States will lose its seat of influence at the international negotiating table, and will cede to China, the EU, and other countries its authority as a political, technological, and moral leader,” scientist wrote to Trump in December.

Recycling is also garbage. It achieves little if anything and the money has far better uses. The Great Pacific garbage patch was also a lie. The entire climate change story is a lie.

The line that 97% of scientists agree on climate change is a lie. They might agree humans contribute to it but very few think humans affect on the environment is devastating.
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again all we will hear are crickets, their climate religion is crumbling
 
Of course, in my own case, I have no doubt that humans are influencing climate change. Over the years, I've also taken my cue from indigenous observers of climate change. None have been more influential then the Kogi of Columbia, last of the great Mesoamerican civilizations. With the help of Westerners, the Kogi's warnings have been the basis of two movies. "Aluna", which was released in 2012, the first link here is the trailer. The third link is the first film: "From the Heart of the World: The Elder Brothers' Warning".

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mHQ4FfgBBXI

https://www.alunathemovie.com/the-message/

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fvckocaVPNA

I can't recommend these films highly enough, really. We don't have to rely solely on science to know we are having an effect on climate. The mountain on which the Kogi live, and to which they retreated 500 years ago, to hide from the Spanish invaders, contains every climate zone on Earth....

So, those interested in indigenous perspectives on the effect modern culture is having on the Earth, and life on Earth, should find these films illuminating....
 
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The history of science demonstrates that scientific consensus is not a guarantee of truth. "Clovis first" was the consensus of archaeologists where the peopling of the Americas was concerned. It was a mistaken consensus. Rocks cannot possibly fall from the sky was the consensus of 18th century science. That consensus was also mistaken, and today the science of meteoritics studies those rocks that fall from the sky. If science is not self-correcting, it's just not science.

But, in the case of climate denial, the scientist who started this petition does not himself enjoy much credibility at all in the scientific community. And the history of truly dishonest climate denial "science"( or maybe to borrow from Trump, "so-called" science) is proven, and on the record. Our new Sec of State is well aware of this bogus "science":

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/...n-climate-change-secretary-state-donald-trump
 
There have been 4 great extinction events, that science knows of, in the Earth's history. The fossil record demonstrates this. Catastrophism as a mechanism in Earth history was revived in modern times via the theory that a comet impact on Earth caused the massive extinction that terminated the Cretaceous Period, and which included the demise of most of the dinosaurs(with the sole exception of that branch of dinosauria represented by avian dinosaurs, i.e. birds). Today, we are living through the 5th great extinction event in our planet's history. To me, this is the real tragedy of climate change denial, and denial that we humans have anything to do with this extinction event. It's knowing that so many species of life are going to disappear, and not enough people really care at all....

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...d-century-vatican-conference?CMP=share_btn_fb

"One in five species on Earth now faces extinction, and that will rise to 50% by the end of the century unless urgent action is taken. That is the stark view of the world’s leading biologists, ecologists and economists who will gather on Monday to determine the social and economic changes needed to save the planet’s biosphere.

“The living fabric of the world is slipping through our fingers without our showing much sign of caring,” say the organisers of the Biological Extinction conference held at the Vatican this week."
 
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There have been 4 great extinction events, that science knows of, in the Earth's history. The fossil record demonstrates this. Catastrophism as a mechanism in Earth history was revived in modern times via the theory that a comet impact on Earth caused the massive extinction that terminated the Cretaceous Period, and which included the demise of most of the dinosaurs(with the sole exception of that branch of dinosauria represented by avian dinosaurs, i.e. birds). Today, we are living through the 5th great extinction event in our planet's history. To me, this is the real tragedy of climate change denial, and denial that we humans have anything to do with this extinction event. It's knowing that so many species of life are going to disappear, and not enough people really care at all....

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...d-century-vatican-conference?CMP=share_btn_fb

"One in five species on Earth now faces extinction, and that will rise to 50% by the end of the century unless urgent action is taken. That is the stark view of the world’s leading biologists, ecologists and economists who will gather on Monday to determine the social and economic changes needed to save the planet’s biosphere.

“The living fabric of the world is slipping through our fingers without our showing much sign of caring,” say the organisers of the Biological Extinction conference held at the Vatican this week."
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So do you want clean air and water and animals or jobs?

I used to have a great unionized coal job until a few years ago! Fox News tells me global heating is not happening! I don't believe in the fake news of facts, rational thought, or science! So librules and sciencetists were just being d bags taking my job away!

I could go back and retrain myself to a green job. But I'm too lazy!

I voted for Trump and he's gonna stick it to them brown people and is gonna get me my job back! Repeal that damn Obamacare it sucks, and let me keep my affordable care act until I get my coal job back!

Murica!
 
The Thriller said:
So do you want clean air and water and animals or jobs?

I used to have a great unionized coal job until a few years ago! Fox News tells me global heating is not happening! I don't believe in the fake news of facts, rational thought, or science! So librules and sciencetists were just being d bags taking my job away!

I could go back and retrain myself to a green job. But I'm too lazy!

I voted for Trump and he's gonna stick it to them brown people and is gonna get me my job back! Repeal that damn Obamacare it sucks, and let me keep my affordable care act until I get my coal job back!

Murica!
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You're wasting your breath.

First it's already too late. We've already changed the Earth's Albedo in the Arctic. We have Decades of warming still to come that is baked in. We are going to hit methane feedback loops. We can't avoid extreme climate change. It's too late.
Even if it wasn't too late, we would still be incapable of sufficient change in our societies to avoid the future. Your(our) current existence and civilization is dependent upon the future that you fear. The changes necessary to avoid it would amount to suicide. That's why you can feel so strongly and still be nowhere near a carbon neutral lifestyle. It's why Nations cannot do more than pa lip service to modest and fully insufficient reductions in emissions.

The question is no longer whether climate change will happen, the question is what will survive it.
 
fishonjazz said:
lol I literally posted a link to an article by the washington times a while back and Dutch quoted it and called it fake news.
Hilarious
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Okay. Let us back this up a second.

Humans can not change there environment? That's plain dumb right? Like, is that not exactly what humans do by nature? There are very few animals that create structures to temper the environment. Humans are best at it including things like Medicine, which are an extension of environmental tempering. Actually, I should include ants an bees as they are great at controlling there environments in there own sorts way.

The think with CO2 is a evolutionary adaptation. If you are going in to a ice age you warm the planet. If you are getting to hot you cool it off. We can do this if we put are collective efforts to it.
 
♪alt13 said:
You're wasting your breath.

First it's already too late. We've already changed the Earth's Albedo in the Arctic. We have Decades of warming still to come that is baked in. We are going to hit methane feedback loops. We can't avoid extreme climate change. It's too late.
Even if it wasn't too late, we would still be incapable of sufficient change in our societies to avoid the future. Your(our) current existence and civilization is dependent upon the future that you fear. The changes necessary to avoid it would amount to suicide. That's why you can feel so strongly and still be nowhere near a carbon neutral lifestyle. It's why Nations cannot do more than pa lip service to modest and fully insufficient reductions in emissions.

The question is no longer whether climate change will happen, the question is what will survive it.
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That's quite melodramatic. The biggest problem with climate change is that it will create an unprecedented refuge crisis. Hundreds of millions of people, specially in developing countries like Bangladesh, will have to evacuate low-lying areas. This will lead to political and social unrest. Developed countries will, more or less, be able to transition economically and infrastructurally to the new conditions. So "what will survive it" will be the same human civilization we have now. I don't understand why you, and many others, consider climate change an existential crisis.
 
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