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I could get the USA off foreign oil and almost eliminate pollution.

bigb said:
We wired a couple houses that used solar panels. The home owners got a gov't grant that paid for "most" of the upfront costs. The company installing the solar paneling said that it would take about five years for the homeowners to recover their out of pocket expenses from their lowered power bills. At about that same time, the homeowners could expect to have to replace their solar panels.
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I looked at this back in 2009 & the minimum payoff time was 17 years. I didn't include cost of capital at all either.

I'm also interested in how rich these people are? Obama loves to give $6000 subsidies to rich people who are the only ones who can afford a $40,000 Chevy Volt. Same with solar panels. If I were rich then I'd buy some because I think they're cool & you all would pay for my toy. But I can't afford them so there won't be a subsidy for poor me.
 
One Brow said:
They "invested" (an odd gterm for a guaranteed loan) in several solar energy companies, and one went bankrupt. Since when is every investment supposed to pay off?
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Avoiding the word nazi "Unibrow" is just about as tough avoiding a rich coke head in Salt Lakes upper east side.
 
franklin said:
I looked at this back in 2009 & the minimum payoff time was 17 years. I didn't include cost of capital at all either.

I'm also interested in how rich these people are? Obama loves to give $6000 subsidies to rich people who are the only ones who can afford a $40,000 Chevy Volt. Same with solar panels. If I were rich then I'd buy some because I think they're cool & you all would pay for my toy. But I can't afford them so there won't be a subsidy for poor me.
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Agreed with Franklin once again.
Obama has given thousands of dollars in subsides to upper middle class people that can afford these electric cars and hybrids.
Solar panels, wind turbines, geothermal energy run communities, you name it.
Subsides are never given to the poor, because the poor don't generate news coverage for a candidates little manila folder of accolades.
 
Maybe because Repubs will only let legislation promoting green energy pass if it comes in the form of tax breaks.
The Dems are working in the real world of politics.
Republicans aren't letting any FDR style spending on green energy jobs programs happen.
 
northeast said:
Maybe because Repubs will only let legislation promoting green energy pass if it comes in the form of tax breaks.
The Dems are working in the real world of politics.
Republicans aren't letting any FDR style spending on green energy jobs programs happen.
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I not disagreeing with you on Reps blocking mostly every piece of legislation.
I see the Reps role as the stonewallers, while at the same time stomping on the Constitution while promoting it.
As well as I see the Dems as just purely stomping on the Constitution out in the open for everyone to see.
Both parties play their roles perfectly in the little theater puppet show, we call Congress.
 
Beantown said:
Solar is now cheaper in places like Massachussetts, California, New Jersey, and Hawaii then their regular utility rates.

Especially by the use of the new solar PPA programs:

https://www.epa.gov/greenpower/buygp/solarpower.htm
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I've looked into solar panels but for me, it's not worth it. It takes at least about five years to get out of the black. Not worth it. I may not be here for five more years. And if someone I'm staying LONG-TERM, I could see major issues with selling the house, say 10 years from now (I don't think I'd buy one with solar panels, purely for aesthetic reasons and think many people would feel the same) and if I don't sell then, I'd be responsible for their disposal after 25 years, and from what I've read, doing so is a very gray area right now and will, I think, cost money to do so.
 
If alternative forms of energy were viable and at least as cheap as fossil fuels they'd already be in general use. Until such time as this occurs fossil fuels will rule the day. And I have no problem with that.
 
One Brow said:
To stay competitive. Countries like Germany and Chnina are supplementing their solar industry, reducing the pricing they charge. If we don't, our companies are at a disadvantage.

Played anything interesting lately? I played Lords of waterdeep for the first time last month.
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Crap. I need to check back on your blog. Sorry. I haven't played anything. I have been flat out at work. I so play some settlers online now and again, but that has been about it. I have some time off coming up. I'll have to look in to Lords of waterdeep. Thanks.
 
One Brow said:
They "invested" (an odd gterm for a guaranteed loan) in several solar energy companies, and one went bankrupt. Since when is every investment supposed to pay off?
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I know we don't always agree on a LOT of things, but I do have to say that I appreciate your responses and the intelligence you put into your posts. You make me think, and that doesn't happen a lot.
 
green said:
I know we don't always agree on a LOT of things, but I do have to say that I appreciate your responses and the intelligence you put into your posts. You make me think, and that doesn't happen a lot.
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1. Feed into Unibrows baby boomer ego. Check!
 
green said:
I know we don't always agree on a LOT of things, but I do have to say that I appreciate your responses and the intelligence you put into your posts. You make me think, and that doesn't happen a lot.
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If I wanted to convert, I'd be a preacher. If all I do is get you to think, and you return the favor, I've accomplished my goal.
 
This thread, void of the mention of unobtainium, is completely lacking substance/cerdibility.
 
I personally love solar, and have an interesting idea for you since you're a big fan of the Federal Reserve.

What if the Fed took all of the money they loan to foreign banks, domestic too-big-to-fail banks, and put into stimulus packages that don't work..... and actually gave it to the American people to buy there own solar systems?

My guess is that lobbyists in congress would never let this happen.
 
If we were serious about wanting to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels, then we have a proven technology to provide energy-nuclear power. We have thousands of years worth of radioactive fuel.

Note I said reduce our dependence on fossil fuels-we need hydrocarbons for plastics and most manufacturing processes.

As was mentioned before- IMO natural gas is likely to rule the energy market in the US for the next 50 years.
 
TheSilencer1313 said:
I personally love solar, and have an interesting idea for you since you're a big fan of the Federal Reserve.

What if the Fed took all of the money they loan to foreign banks, domestic too-big-to-fail banks, and put into stimulus packages that don't work..... and actually gave it to the American people to buy there own solar systems?

My guess is that lobbyists in congress would never let this happen.
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Is that what we did now?

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