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I don't get it (Enes Kanter)

Joe Bagadonuts said:
Apparently you're not aware of this, but Lance Armstrong is sort of strong... like, superhuman strength. True, he's not NBA power forward material but that's a size issue. Your point is correct, though, because there are all sorts of computer nerds who have no body fat and no strength.
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It depends on the sport and the training. Marathon runners have extremely low body fat and their legs are certainly strong, but with considerably more slow-twitch than fast-twiitch muscle fibers. Kanter has probably focused more on running the court and shooting drills, rather than heavy weight training. I doubt the 5.9% BF percentage is correct. Professional body builders are in that range. 3% is about as low as one can safely get.
 
All I am trying to say is that at 259 pounds and 5.9% body fat, he has to have A LOT of muscle. He should be basically a taller heavy and stronger version of Blake Griffin with that low of body fat and his height and weight.

Some people don't know how to read apparently. I said I am not concerned or saying that having these numbers indicated a good basketball player. Many people are saying "It doesn't matter" or "I am not concerned." I agree with this. Again, I had to repeat this.

Some people need me map it out for them since they don't understand what I am trying to say.

I am making numbers up completely here just for a scenario (the only numbers I am making up are the weight of bones and organs)
Lets compare two players Kevin Love (255 lbs) and Enes Kanter(259).
Lets say that Kevin Loves organs, bones ligaments skin everything is 170 lbs. He has also 12.9% body fat so he has 32.9 pounds of fat. That would mean he has 52.1 pounds of muscle.

Lets say Enes Kanters bones organs etc are a little bit heavier since he is slightly taller so 180 lbs. He has 5.9% body fat so 15.29 pounds of fat. That would mean he has 63.7 pounds of muscle.

If this were the case then Enes Kanter would be able to Jump higher and bench more but this is not the case. The only explanation that I see is that Enes Kanter has like giant organs and bones.

I hope some of you guys aren't confused anymore in what I am trying to say.
 
I think it was fairly obvious what you were asking, genius. I don't know if you realize it, but most threads don't stick to the exact question/thought of the OP.

How about I just answer with he has really, really strong legs .. leaving only 22.3% of the remaining 63.7 lbs of muscle for his upper body / bench press.
 
The Black Swordsman said:
If this were the case then Enes Kanter would be able to Jump higher and bench more but this is not the case.
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That's just simply not true. You don't have to be particularly sophisticated about human physiology to understand why: Not all muscle is created equal OR evenly distributed.

Borrowing from PKM and Archie, Kanter has a very wide base and extremely muscular legs. He doesn't seem to have the same proportion of fast twitch fibers in those muscular legs as players like Blake Griffin and Derrick Favors (this is especially borne out when you consider the difference between his no-step and max vert.), however, and his strength is much more useful gaining position down low than it is for leaping all over the place. Kanter's upper body looks pretty good as well, but it's not like Griffin's or Howard's.
 
What really matters is, can Kanter use the laws of physics to box people out and rebound, while having the coordination to actually catch a basketball? Fesenko could be an amazing player too, but he's just an uncoordinated lump; who fumbles with the ball just long enough to get double teamed, or not secure the rebound and ruin a play. Kanter has already shown at a fairly young age that he at least possesses coordination, which is a priceless commodity among big-men.
 
Well I guess the whole slow twitch muscle thing does make sense. Wasn't Kanter the non guard ever to complete the treadmill test at the combine? I just feel sad because he is not going to get a lot of minutes so all of his slow twitch endurance muscle fibers are going to be useless playing 10 or less minutes a game.
 
Yes, he did the best on the treadmill of the non-guards. He's in pretty good shape considering the non-play. I wouldn't allow his inability to get playing time make you sad quite yet.
 
Qman said:
It adds up just fine. Also the bench press has very little to do with basketball in general.
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Easily the stupidest and most irrelevant measurement done. They should measure squats instead or in addition to.
 
Archie Moses said:
What matters is ---- can he play ball. KD can't bench 185 and hasn't struggled.
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Once again, I'm not saying that his bench or vertical is of concern. I agree with you. I'm just trying to wonder why he has such low jump and bench when he is 259 with 5.9% body fat. I'm asking in the sense of "Does this physically make sense?"

I can repeat over and over and people just don't get it.
 
The Black Swordsman said:
Once again, I'm not saying that his bench or vertical is of concern. I agree with you. I'm just trying to wonder why he has such low jump and bench when he is 259 with 5.9% body fat. I'm asking in the sense of "Does this physically make sense?"

I can repeat over and over and people just don't get it.
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People have answered your question, but you seem unable to read. Yes, it does make perfect sense. Not all muscle is created equal, every person's musculature is distributed differently, and differences in frame are not negligible.
 
The Black Swordsman said:
Once again, I'm not saying that his bench or vertical is of concern. I agree with you. I'm just trying to wonder why he has such low jump and bench when he is 259 with 5.9% body fat. I'm asking in the sense of "Does this physically make sense?"

I can repeat over and over and people just don't get it.
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So I'll ask a question about his vertical. Why do you say his vertical is 26 inches when it was measured at 32"? (which you posted later in your initial thread).
 
The Black Swordsman said:
All I am trying to say is that at 259 pounds and 5.9% body fat, he has to have A LOT of muscle. He should be basically a taller heavy and stronger version of Blake Griffin with that low of body fat and his height and weight.

Some people don't know how to read apparently. I said I am not concerned or saying that having these numbers indicated a good basketball player. Many people are saying "It doesn't matter" or "I am not concerned." I agree with this. Again, I had to repeat this.

Some people need me map it out for them since they don't understand what I am trying to say.

I am making numbers up completely here just for a scenario (the only numbers I am making up are the weight of bones and organs)
Lets compare two players Kevin Love (255 lbs) and Enes Kanter(259).
Lets say that Kevin Loves organs, bones ligaments skin everything is 170 lbs. He has also 12.9% body fat so he has 32.9 pounds of fat. That would mean he has 52.1 pounds of muscle.

Lets say Enes Kanters bones organs etc are a little bit heavier since he is slightly taller so 180 lbs. He has 5.9% body fat so 15.29 pounds of fat. That would mean he has 63.7 pounds of muscle.

If this were the case then Enes Kanter would be able to Jump higher and bench more but this is not the case. The only explanation that I see is that Enes Kanter has like giant organs and bones.

I hope some of you guys aren't confused anymore in what I am trying to say.
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Where did you study medicine, Dr. Swordsman? I think their license to teach needs to be revoked. You're logic is hysterical.

I'm certain there is no direct correlation between the weight of a person's muscles and the height they can jump. You're giant organs and bones comments officially makes this the weirdest thread ever.
 
PKM said:
So I'll ask a question about his vertical. Why do you say his vertical is 26 inches when it was measured at 32"? (which you posted later in your initial thread).
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I think:
26 is no step vertical or two feet jump- which is most important as thats how most of the time players jump for rebounds or blocks.
32 - max vertical or jump from whatever steps you need to elevate from one ( usually stronger foot).
 
First vertical numbers are not dependent on fat % or amount of muscle. It is mostly genetic with training that enhances performance. Case in point, I was on a college track team one of the throwers on the team was about 5'10" 250ish and probably 30% body fat (maybe a bit low on this one). This guy could dunk a basketball off two feet, no step. Now there was a distence runner who was 6'6" 5% body fat and couldnt touch the rim. There was another thrower who was 6'6" 260 with a 10% body fat that could dunk but had to take a step.

All these guys were in good shape and worked out a lot. The throwers are probably the best example. One was just freakishly explosive and strong. the other was just big and strong. This is what makes the difference between griffin and boozer. Some people have hops and some dont.

Lots of great players dont have hops and some do. Hakeem had hops, Kareem not so much. Kemp was a jumper, ewing was not. Point is that if Kantor can lean to use his size and puts on strengh he doesnt need hops, thow they help for shot blocking and highlights.
 
The Black Swordsman said:
I'm just trying to wonder why he has such low jump and bench when he is 259 with 5.9% body fat. I'm asking in the sense of "Does this physically make sense?"
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The answer is yes, it makes sense. You see, muscle weighs more than fat, therefore Enes simply weighs too much to be able to get off the floor. Luckily for us, the lockout should solve this problem. After sitting around for a while in front of the tv eating potato chips, much of that muscle will turn into fat. Fat weighs less, therefore he should be able to jump much higher. If the lockout lasts the entire year, I predict he will be able to pick a dime off the top of the backboard, and leave 7 cents change.
 
The Black Swordsman said:
Once again, I'm not saying that his bench or vertical is of concern. I agree with you. I'm just trying to wonder why he has such low jump and bench when he is 259 with 5.9% body fat. I'm asking in the sense of "Does this physically make sense?"

I can repeat over and over and people just don't get it.
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Let me take a swing at this. In HS I had 6% body fat but at my hight (5'9") i was considered over weight because I was 178 pounds. But was a good athlete( ran a 4.6 in the 40). I have a very heavy bone structure that adds a lot of weight. I didn't start floating in water until I was about 4 feet under due to how heavy I was with very little fat. As for the bench press part I was a lot the same. I was strong in my legs. (sitting leg press of 620 pounds), ( 385 pound squat). But was horrible in my bench pressing. I have a very strong base,legs. But not a great amount of upper body in comparison. It just comes down to people being built differently Kanter may not have the right setup physicly to be a great jumper or have great upper body strength.
 
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