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I feel a lot of Jazz fans unfairly hate on Deron Williams.

NUMBERICA said:
More importantly, it's not Deron's fault that he was given a Robin that executed the PnR as though he had some sort of legitimate disability.
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And now Deron has a Brook [Lopez] that gets injured like he has some sort of legitimate disability :\ ...

Well, a leader of some semblance would try to mold and teach Big Al. Not that D-Will was great at that.

(CP3 appears to do some of that.)

Besides, Al's offense isn't stellar, but it's not his weakness. It's the defense.
 
I can honestly say a lot turned for me when I watched Deron overhand throw the ball at Hayward very, very early in his rookie year (was it Phoenix or Portland?...). That was the cherry on top of a night in which Deron was screaming at the Rook all night (I was at the game, sitting by the bench and it didn't stop during timeouts).

There's "loudly explaining" and then there's "being an insecure ****ing dick/**** teammate". I wore a DWill shirt to that game and haven't worn it since.
 
Bodhi said:
I can honestly say a lot turned for me when I watched Deron overhand throw the ball at Hayward very, very early in his rookie year (was it Phoenix or Portland?...). That was the cherry on top of a night in which Deron was screaming at the Rook all night (I was at the game, sitting by the bench and it didn't stop during timeouts).

There's "loudly explaining" and then there's "being an insecure ****ing dick/**** teammate". I wore a DWill shirt to that game and haven't worn it since.
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This is what I was referring to as well ..
 
Unfairly?

Huh?

He was gonna string us along ala Lebron, Dwight, and Melo.

He was thee #1 reason why a HOF coach left.

Unfairly hated? Uhhhh what's to like?

He was all smiles when things were goin well w/Booz and Memo. Then, when *gasp* some balls and leadership were asked of him, he had worse PMS than Kim Kardashian when she lost that earring.

Dude threw Hayward under the bus.

Duron is a good scorer when things are going his way. He's a cancer and a jerk teammate most of the time. And he's something that we need less NOT MORE of in professional sports.

No leadership. A good jumper. Can create. Wayyyy too many turnovers.
 
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a complete basketball player is not only what we see on the floor, NBA travel a lot, a leader must be fair stright forward look at NASH. Deron seemed like he never want to be here. NASH is a great example of comitment to the team. I admire him a lot.
 
InGameStrategy said:
And now Deron has a Brook [Lopez] that gets injured like he has some sort of legitimate disability :\ ...

Well, a leader of some semblance would try to mold and teach Big Al. Not that D-Will was great at that.

(CP3 appears to do some of that.)

Besides, Al's offense isn't stellar, but it's not his weakness. It's the defense.
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Al is one of the worst PnR bigs I have seen in my life (at least at the beginning of last year, they have since pretty much stopped running the play, coincidentally). That's what Deron does (and what should be the strength of any PG worth his salt). Suddenly, instead of one of THE best PnR bigs to work with, a stretch big, and then another good PnR big off the bench, Deron was handed a dude too slow with his feet, too slow upstairs, and too allergic to contact to turn otherwise perfectly executed plays into anything or still converting but taking the level of difficulty of a clear path to the basket to new heights. And when he ran it with Millsap (who is better at it), instead of having a stretch big, the paint was crowded because that's where Al and his ELITE POST GAME camp out.

Seriously watch what happened to the offense when Mr. Ogre Ball was on the floor. A ****ing disaster if I've ever seen one.

Players are usually what they are after six years. Faulting Deron for not suddenly making a big that didn't know how to do anything well besides camp, do a little dance, then put his head down and try to score on triple teams but still shying away from contact at EVERY opportunity is purely absurd. Nash and D'Antoni couldn't turn Big Slow into a PnR big. That is just not who he is. I don't fault KOC for getting him for almost nothing, but I don't feel he actually did his homework on how Al would fit in with the Jazz and how they play basketball.

I know people that love Big Al because OMG HE'S SO BIG OK aren't going to like this, but until Deron and Sloan were gone, Al was pretty much a one-man wrecking crew to how the team played basketball. Only after a year and a change of the system to get him in his spots and let him take his shots has he masqueraded as a legitimate $13-$15 million player.
 
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The Thriller said:
Unfairly?

Huh?

He was gonna string us along ala Lebron, Dwight, and Melo.

He was thee #1 reason why a HOF coach left.

Unfairly hated? Uhhhh what's to like?

He was all smiles when things were goin well w/Booz and Memo. Then, when *gasp* some balls and leadership were asked of him, he had worse PMS than Kim Kardashian when she lost that earring.

Dude threw Hayward under the bus.

Duron is a good scorer when things are going his way. He's a cancer and a jerk teammate most of the time. And he's something that we need less NOT MORE of in professional sports.

No leadership. A good jumper. Can create. Wayyyy too many turnovers.
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Best take yet.
 
I didn't like Deron very much after getting his autograph. He is an ***.
 
Has anyone wondered what Deron would be like in Utah the second time around? I would bet that is Deron came back, we would see a much more mature person. Nothing like a season and half of humbling in NJ to change a man. I still believe Deron's best chance at a title is in Utah.
 
green said:
Has anyone wondered what Deron would be like in Utah the second time around? I would bet that is Deron came back, we would see a much more mature person. Nothing like a season and half of humbling in NJ to change a man. I still believe Deron's best chance at a title is in Utah.
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Sure, just look at how Marbury, AI, Carmello, etc. have turned a new leaf.

I think Deron's attitude is reinforced in today's NBA.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Al is one of the worst PnR bigs I have seen in my life (at least at the beginning of last year, they have since pretty much stopped running the play, coincidentally). That's what Deron does (and what should be the strength of any PG worth his salt). Suddenly, instead of one of THE best PnR bigs to work with, a stretch big, and then another good PnR big off the bench, Deron was handed a dude too slow with his feet, too slow upstairs, and too allergic to contact to turn otherwise perfectly executed plays into anything or still converting but taking the level of difficulty of a clear path to the basket to new heights. And when he ran it with Millsap (who is better at it), instead of having a stretch big, the paint was crowded because that's where Al and his ELITE POST GAME camp out.
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I agree with most of what you say here (although I love the way you subclassify Boozer--presumably--as "one of the best PnR bigs" just like people used to subclassify Booze as one of the best offensive big men, completely understating his giant liability called defense), but you failed to mention anything about Deron's apparent lack of attempt to teach and direct Big Al (or much of anyone else) toward improvement (or even adjustment), like a true leader would.

Things were probably frustrating for D-Will because Sloan didn't enforce defense and didn't do (enough) strategic planning for each game, but those facts don't excuse D-Will from being a better on-court traffic cop, advisor, and (cheer)leader.

Your statement also ignores the fact that the "stretch big" was still on the team but was injured, making Al the inevitable alternative at the 5. Meanwhile, other championship teams (Boston, Lakers, Mavs)--despite bringing in new veteran players in the very same year of winning it all--somehow figured out how to put it all together. Imagine that.

Players are usually what they are after six years. Faulting Deron for not suddenly making a big that didn't know how to do anything well besides camp, do a little dance, then put his head down and try to score on triple teams but still shying away from contact at EVERY opportunity is purely absurd.
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Yeah, I guess that given that people are what they are, we shouldn't even try, right?

Fortunately Kobe, the Lakers, and (formerly) Phil Jackson didn't follow your claim when it came to Ron Artest (and now Andrew Bynum, coming up on 6 years of experience).

Fortunately Tim Duncan, the Spurs, and Gregg Popovich didn't follow your claim when it came to Richard Jefferson, even getting him to play a little defense every once in a while.

Tim Duncan (usually through Popovich) leads and directs.
Chrissy Paul leads and directs (as much as it pains me to say it).
Kobe leads and directs (sometimes).

Deron didn't.
He threw balls in the faces of young players.
He pouted.
And he was the #1 reason why a HoF coach walked in mid-season.
 
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