What's new
By:

I know there are a lot of LDS people here

"The Mormon church is full of discrimination and they're a bunch of bigots who cause people to commit suicide." Not that I deny this voice, but just think the following is interesting. Black parents probably don't want their kids join the KKK, Jewish parents probably don't want their kids to join the a Nazi group, so why would gay parents be upset if their kids are denied membership into a group that teaches so called discrimination, bigotry and that being gay is a sin? It makes no sense to me.
 
Archie Moses said:
"The Mormon church is full of discrimination and they're a bunch of bigots who cause people to commit suicide." Not that I deny this voice, but just think the following is interesting. Black parents probably don't want their kids join the KKK, Jewish parents probably don't want their kids to join the a Nazi group, so why would gay parents be upset if their kids are denied membership into a group that teaches so called discrimination, bigotry and that being gay is a sin? It makes no sense to me.
Click to expand...
Good post
 
Archie Moses said:
"The Mormon church is full of discrimination and they're a bunch of bigots who cause people to commit suicide." Not that I deny this voice, but just think the following is interesting. Black parents probably don't want their kids join the KKK, Jewish parents probably don't want their kids to join the a Nazi group, so why would gay parents be upset if their kids are denied membership into a group that teaches so called discrimination, bigotry and that being gay is a sin? It makes no sense to me.
Click to expand...

Many gay parents would probably not be upset. Sure, but thats not why people are angry. This issue is so much more complex than that. What about gay, Mormon parents? Yes, they exist. What about the kid who wants to be Mormon and has gay parents? What about what this says to LGBTQ people, especially children, period? Why would the LDS Church target children?

These reactions will boil over after every anti-LGBTQ piece of info comes out concerns the LDS Church. Good times, eh?
 
Archie Moses said:
"The Mormon church is full of discrimination and they're a bunch of bigots who cause people to commit suicide." Not that I deny this voice, but just think the following is interesting. Black parents probably don't want their kids join the KKK, Jewish parents probably don't want their kids to join the a Nazi group, so why would gay parents be upset if their kids are denied membership into a group that teaches so called discrimination, bigotry and that being gay is a sin? It makes no sense to me.
Click to expand...

clayton bigsby would disagree with your hypothesis
a509849d096197bde214fdf8419825f8.831x620x1.png




i know i know it is off topic. just too good to pass up
 
To answer your questions.
1. That's the reason why it doesn't make sense to me.
2. They can become Mormons and are pretty much given a free pass.
3. The Mormon church, in a very weird way, is trying to respect this very small percentage of people it impacts. Can you imagine how awkward and sad it would be if a gay couple's child was baptized in a religion that doesn't accept their behavior and are considered apostate? I imagine this was the reasoning behind this policy. I imagine the church baptized a kid and it blew up with his parents.

I'm not active mormon, haven't been for years. I just don't understand why there's such a big blow up about this (actually, I do.) It's already in active policy in other situations. The church's stance on homosexuality has been pretty clear and ultimately, at the end of the day, the church is all about happiness in the home. If parents, who are in a gay marriage and upset by this because their underaged kid, living in their house, wants to be baptized I seriously would like them to read my first post and ask themselves why? Can you imagine how confusing it would be to a kid in this situation just going to church?

If this rocks your faith and your LDS, you probably don't have as much faith in the first place.
If this upsets you and you're not LDS, no surprise, especially after how the policy comes across. I find it interesting the ones who don't believe in the religion, have the biggest opinions and voices on the policy though - just like any other time the church is in the news. It's like people feed off of getting offended by the church.
 
Archie Moses said:
I find it interesting the ones who don't believe in the religion, have the biggest opinions and voices on the policy though - just like any other time the church is in the news. It's like people feed off of getting offended by the church.
Click to expand...

Yeah, I guess that's interesting. But it makes total sense, right? Anti-LGBTQ policies get a lot of attention these days, eh?

I think you're right, some people do have it out for the LDS Church. From my experience, ex-Mormon's axes are sharp. But, there's a very large population that thinks The LDS Church's very vocal and active anti-LGBTQ stance is a huge social problem, and we're pissed.

I would imagine many find the LDS Church offensive because it does offensive things.
 
Stifle Tower said:
No, they do not teach that, Mormon bishops perform civil marriages all the time. People with civil marriages are not viewed as "sinning" nor are any actions taken against them because of their marital status. What the Church DOES teach is that ONLY temple marriages are binding in the post-mortal life. Civil marriages are "until death do they part," just as those vows state.
Click to expand...

I guess I should say that culturally there are a lot of mormons that teach that civil marriages are invalid. For example, my seminary teacher in 9th grade told me that my sister was a sinner for nit getting married in the temple. Then he said that God does not recognize civil marriage. I have heard this teaching multiple times and I understand that it is wrong, but it's a pretty widespread belief of a lot of mormons.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Yeah, I guess that's interesting. But it makes total sense, right? Anti-LGBTQ policies get a lot of attention these days, eh?

I think you're right, some people do have it out for the LDS Church. From my experience, ex-Mormon's axes are sharp. But, there's a very large population that thinks The LDS Church's very vocal and active anti-LGBTQ stance is a huge social problem, and we're pissed.

I would imagine many find the LDS Church offensive because it does offensive things.
Click to expand...
Honest question here (not trying to be a dick)
Are you pissed that Mormons don't baptize the kids of polygamists? What about Muslims?
Why or why not?
 
bigb said:
Honest question here (not trying to be a dick)
Are you pissed that Mormons don't baptize the kids of polygamists? What about Muslims?
Why or why not?
Click to expand...

Not at all duder. I think those things are troubling, but being a polygamist or a Muslim are a choice. Homosexuality is not a choice. So I guess I see the LDS Church's stance towards LGBTQ folks pretty awful, since they really can't do anything about the way they feel. If I'm Muslim and I want to get baptized, pretty good chance I don't want to be a Muslim anymore and I can choose to not be Muslim anymore if I want. Same with polygamy. A gay person cannot not be gay. Does that make sense?
 
bigb said:
I could have been more specific. Muslims visiting/studying here when they would have to return to their native country/customs and possibly be in physical harm.
Click to expand...
Is that an actual policy? Does it only apply to those living in certain countries?

Doesn't meet your criteria, but I taught two Muslim people who were baptized in Indonesia.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Not at all duder. I think those things are troubling, but being a polygamist or a Muslim are a choice. Homosexuality is not a choice. So I guess I see the LDS Church's stance towards LGBTQ folks pretty awful, since they really can't do anything about the way they feel. If I'm Muslim and I want to get baptized, pretty good chance I don't want to be a Muslim anymore and I can choose to not be Muslim anymore if I want. Same with polygamy. A gay person cannot not be gay. Does that make sense?
Click to expand...
Absolutely makes sense. But the same policy is still in place for them. As for polygamist kids, they don't exactly have a choice of being there either.
More than anything I was wondering what your stance on that was.
 
GVC said:
Is that an actual policy? Does it only apply to those living in certain countries?

Doesn't meet your criteria, but I taught two Muslim people who were baptized in Indonesia.
Click to expand...
Take this with a grain of salt as I'm not 100% sure of it, but missionaries are not supposed to teach and baptize Muslims in the scenario I gave. It may be based on where they are from, and I'm guessing that if they are in their native or permanent country it doesn't apply.
 
bigb said:
Take this with a grain of salt as I'm not 100% sure of it, but missionaries are not supposed to teach and baptize Muslims in the scenario I gave. It may be based on where they are from, and I'm guessing that if they are in their native or permanent country it doesn't apply.
Click to expand...
I ask because I encountered people after my mission who seemed to think missionaries weren't allowed to teach or baptize Muslims AT ALL, which I knew wasn't true. This could possibly be a similar Mormon rumor. I'd be surprised, for example, if this policy applied to someone from a Western country, like Canada or Australia.
 
GVC said:
I ask because I encountered people after my mission who seemed to think missionaries weren't allowed to teach or baptize Muslims AT ALL, which I knew wasn't true. This could possibly be a similar Mormon rumor. I'd be surprised, for example, if this policy applied to someone from a Western country, like Canada or Australia.
Click to expand...
Yeah I would guess the same thing about the western countries. Like I said, I think it's more geared toward those studying in said western countries and having to return home.
 
GVC said:
Yes. Google 'Mormon baptismal covenant' for more info. I don't know that many eight-year-olds, but I find it hard to believe that many are old enough to understand or be prepared to commit to stand as a witness of God. They might as well be baptized as babies.
Click to expand...
I can't speak for all eight year olds, but with my two daughters, we made sure that they both understood the gospel and the church at a reasonable level, and that they understood what they were committing to, again to a reasonable level. And they certainly were able to tell right from wrong in terms of general behavior. It was very different from baptizing babies.
 
GVC said:
I ask because I encountered people after my mission who seemed to think missionaries weren't allowed to teach or baptize Muslims AT ALL, which I knew wasn't true. This could possibly be a similar Mormon rumor. I'd be surprised, for example, if this policy applied to someone from a Western country, like Canada or Australia.
Click to expand...

When I was on my mission in Taiwan, we had to ask permission from the mission president to teach Indonesian muslims. Middle East muslims were pretty much off limits. I don't know if that was church wide though.

There were rumors that some Christian missionaries had been murdered by family members of Muslims they had converted.
 
heh, next time a missionary approaches me (they often do) can't wait to drop the M-bomb on them 5 minutes in, and watch their knees quake.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page
Back
Top