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I smell something FISHY

Lakers_Slapper said:
Derek Fisher's daughter was 10 months old and had been dealing with the new found fatal cancer for 2 months. As I understand it there were 2 doctors in the entire U.S. that had experience (not just specialized) dealing with the form of rare cancer that his 10 MONTH OLD BABY DAUGHTER had. One was in New York, and on was in L.A. How can anyone condem him for leaving the Jazz? Do you think the Jazz released him from his contract just solely based on his word? I would guess that there had do be doctors medical records for his daughter based on a release of an NBA contract. I dont have proof, I'm just stating the obvious because Im not a neanderthal banging around 2 rocks as my proof for everything like the damn primates on this website that still think he screwed us. Do any of you that think he was out to screw us; have kids? Did you see the CNN special about his daughters cancer in her eye? Thats what I thought.
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A lie is a lie it doesn't matter if he had good intentions. Are the owners lying or trying to keep their league health and vibrant? The whole point of this thread was not to rehash the story. It was to point out the feeble moral perch that Fisher stands on.
 
candrew said:
Only in Utah.

I've found this to be pretty much a non-issue everywhere else.
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that is the point why is he some sort of moral leader for the players??

lets take a look at a similar story...lets take Sarah Palin questioning Obama on his ability to serve because he only had a small run in the senate than she herself goes and leaves her role as governor in Alaska. I doesn't matter if you commit and act of wrongness to the grime of the earth you are still a hypocrite if you call someone else out for the same thing. In this case Fisher calling the owners liars. He is the OG when it comes to stretching the truth!!
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
Derek Fisher's daughter was 10 months old and had been dealing with the new found fatal cancer for 2 months. As I understand it there were 2 doctors in the entire U.S. that had experience (not just specialized) dealing with the form of rare cancer that his 10 MONTH OLD BABY DAUGHTER had. One was in New York, and on was in L.A. How can anyone condem him for leaving the Jazz? Do you think the Jazz released him from his contract just solely based on his word? I would guess that there had do be doctors medical records for his daughter based on a release of an NBA contract. I dont have proof, I'm just stating the obvious because Im not a neanderthal banging around 2 rocks as my proof for everything like the damn primates on this website that still think he screwed us. Do any of you that think he was out to screw us; have kids? Did you see the CNN special about his daughters cancer in her eye? Thats what I thought.
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What I recall in media reports was that there were a few select cities that had specialists for his daughter. I believe they included New York, LA, Seattle, Dallas and Miami. Something like that. I doubt he had intentions to get out of his contract with Utah to sign with LA. It was to move to one of those cities. The timing of the signing with LA was the big deal. Fisher should have been smart enough to understand how signing with the Lakers a week after voiding the Utah deal would look. I doubt there was ill intentions, or even misleading speech. If the Lakers weren't such a familiar setting for Fisher, he probably wouldn't have signed there so quickly.
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
Derek Fisher's daughter was 10 months old and had been dealing with the new found fatal cancer for 2 months. As I understand it there were 2 doctors in the entire U.S. that had experience (not just specialized) dealing with the form of rare cancer that his 10 MONTH OLD BABY DAUGHTER had. One was in New York, and on was in L.A. How can anyone condem him for leaving the Jazz? Do you think the Jazz released him from his contract just solely based on his word? I would guess that there had do be doctors medical records for his daughter based on a release of an NBA contract. I dont have proof, I'm just stating the obvious because Im not a neanderthal banging around 2 rocks as my proof for everything like the damn primates on this website that still think he screwed us. Do any of you that think he was out to screw us; have kids? Did you see the CNN special about his daughters cancer in her eye? Thats what I thought.
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" At his two-month pediatric check up, the boy's doctor agreed that his vision was somehow impaired and referred him to a pediatric ophthalmologist at Primary Children's Medical Center. It treats six to 10 retinoblastoma patients a year."
https://www.thehealthnews.org/news/07/05/12/Retinoblastoma.html

In other words, there was the expertise in Utah to manage his daughter's disease.
https://www.thehealthnews.org/news/07/05/12/Retinoblastoma.html

I'm still elated that he left early--and that he (and the Jazz) could use his daughter as an excuse to do so. But he didn't need to move--even to obtain better access to the top treatment in the country (L.A. or N.Y.) rather than high-quality treatment in SLC. If I were him, I'd want the top ophthalmologist (probably at Sloan-Kettering in New York) to do it, but after that, follow-up can be done anywhere.

And it was. In L.A.
 
KOC BEGONE said:
that is the point why is he some sort of moral leader for the players??
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pretty simple, it's because they elected him to be the president of their union

Fisher was a player representative for the NBPA before becoming a member of the union’s executive committee. He was elected as the union's president in 2006.
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LINK

Of course, that was before his daughter was diagnosed. I'm sure if the election had been held a year later, he'd have never been elected.

/sarcasm
 
candrew said:
Only in Utah.

I've found this to be pretty much a non-issue everywhere else.
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HUh? You are saying if he had left another NBA team in the same way that some of the fans wouldn't react this way? I have lived in 6 NBA cities and this comment has no basis. If you want to bash Utah, have at it but find a legit way to do so. I have no problem with Fish leaving but I get why fans question his motives, particularly ending up back with Kobe in LA.
 
gomretat said:
HUh? You are saying if he had left another NBA team in the same way that some of the fans wouldn't react this way? I have lived in 6 NBA cities and this comment has no basis. If you want to bash Utah, have at it but find a legit way to do so. I have no problem with Fish leaving but I get why fans question his motives, particularly ending up back with Kobe in LA.
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No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the rest of the country doesn't see it the way SOME people in Utah or some Jazz fans see it when it comes to this issue. So the original posters point is irrelevant. I never said this was an issue just because it occurred in Utah.

Although, if I was trying to make that point you kind of made it for me with your own hypersensitivity.

As for him going to LA - LHM screwed up. He should have traded him instead of letting him out of his contract unconditionally.
 
KOC BEGONE said:
A lie is a lie it doesn't matter if he had good intentions. Are the owners lying or trying to keep their league health and vibrant? The whole point of this thread was not to rehash the story. It was to point out the feeble moral perch that Fisher stands on.
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Once again, what did he lie about?
 
candrew said:
No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the rest of the country doesn't see it the way SOME people in Utah or some Jazz fans see it when it comes to this issue. So the original posters point is irrelevant. I never said this was an issue just because it occurred in Utah.

Although, if I was trying to make that point you kind of made it for me with your own hypersensitivity.

As for him going to LA - LHM screwed up. He should have traded him instead of letting him out of his contract unconditionally.
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But if he had done the same thing in other NBA cities, same reaction from there so the only in Utah thing is of base. The point is not irrelevant at all. The fact that you or I may not think that he lied doesn't mean there is not a legit case and perspective that he did. And pointing out a flaw in logic does not make one hypersensitive. My Canadian roots and experience living all over the US don't really lead to being overly sensitive about Utah.
 
margodydek said:
Once again, what did he lie about?
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QFT


at any rate, of those who have a problem with the way Fisher handled this, some posters indicated that IF HE HAD SIGNED WITH ANYONE ELSE they would not have a problem with it, but the fact that he signed with the Lakers is the issue for them. So in that regard at least, it is specific to a rivalry between some fans of the Utah Jazz and the Lakers.
 
moevillini said:
QFT


at any rate, of those who have a problem with the way Fisher handled this, some posters indicated that IF HE HAD SIGNED WITH ANYONE ELSE they would not have a problem with it, but the fact that he signed with the Lakers is the issue for them. So in that regard at least, it is specific to a rivalry between some fans of the Utah Jazz and the Lakers.
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Exactly. So if he had gone to NY, then he wouldn't be a liar? I'll say it again, I dislike Fisher as much as the next guy, but until those who call him a liar have a toddler with a tumor in their eye then I don't think you can chime in on what he should or shouldn't have done.
 
one last thing - at the time he signed with the Lakers he mentioned how important it was that his family had a strong support network there since they'd lived there for 10 years and his wife had family in the area. For a family dealing with a stressful health situation with one of their children, having that support and stability is significant, in addition to going somewhere already familiar to them.

Perhaps those if you who have dealt with this sort of thing can understand the difference it makes, especially when children are involved. And it's not just the one that's sick that counts, but the welfare of the others as well, and he does have three other young kids he was thinking about.
 
margodydek said:
Once again, what did he lie about?
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He lied to get out of a contract on a team that he was a backup for the rest of his career.

There is a part of this article where Larry Miller acknologies the doubt that can be raise about his departure.
https://www.webcitation.org/61jEYpXu6

Lets pretend we don't have the modern technologies that we do planes that we can travel across the United States in hours, telephones, and video conferences. Then yes you are right if you live in Utah you are SOL if your kid gets sick. How can I ever survive in my crummy state. :(
 
KOC BEGONE said:
He lied to get out of a contract on a team that he was a backup for the rest of his career.

There is a part of this article where Larry Miller acknologies the doubt that can be raise about his departure.
https://www.webcitation.org/61jEYpXu6

Lets pretend we don't have the modern technologies that we do planes that we can travel across the United States in hours, telephones, and video conferences. Then yes you are right if you live in Utah you are SOL if your kid gets sick. How can I ever survive in my crummy state. :(
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Okay, you gave me his purpose for lying, but once again, what did he lie about?
 
He lied about his intent. He wanted to take care of his daughter all power to him for his intent. That being said he is a millionaire and he could have afforded treatment for his daughter from anywhere in the United States. His motives were legit but his agenda was clear.
 
KOC BEGONE said:
He lied about his intent. He wanted to take care of his daughter all power to him for his intent. That being said he is a millionaire and he could have afforded treatment for his daughter from anywhere in the United States. His motives were legit but his agenda was clear.
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Awful argument. I pray you're not an attorney.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
The "U" at the time didn't have any specialists in retinoblastoma. It's really that simple.
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Exactly. The leaders in that field were in Mass and NY, so naturally Fisher moved to...um...well closer to the east...uh. Ok LA, but everyone knows that everything, especially all things healthcare, is better in LA than anywhere else. So, yeah.
 
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