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I Still Support Hayward

He is a good player with high level effort to win. With more pg options, I think he can play more Comfortable without the necessity to make plays. He has good talent as spot up, post up, p&p shooter, p&r passer, cutter and chasing defense. He just needs to work on getting more consistent and start with taking less responsibility.
 
I'd rather pursue Luol Deng who is seeking around 12M than giving a max to Hayward. Deng brings more things to the table, especially defensively, and along with veteran leadership.

If I still want to spend more money, then I'd go after also Aminu to set the SF position for good. They improve the Jazz both offensively and defensively more than Hayward could do on his own. If I'm worried about 3 point shooting, I'd consider another 3 pt shooter SF instead of Aminu, like Garcia who is also a great veteran or Mike Miller or Anthony Morrow etc.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
Demar Derozan is better than Hayward and people were killing his 4/40 million dollar extension before last season.

15 mil a year for Hayward is a joke.

41% from the field and 30% from 3... Those percentages remind me of;

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PGAlexLen with the fail.
 
Revolution 9 said:
I respect the Hayward fans. We've had many players I've liked that had to go too.

It's time to move on. He's not a cornerstone, but wants to be paid like one.

He's a little kid who spends too much time on video games. We only should pay the max to men.
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All Hail Burks, the cornerstone of the franchise.
 
The Thriller said:
Even Locke admitted with his analytics analysis that by year 4 a player is who he is. Very few exceptions.

So essentially, we know what Hayward is. He's a soft athletic wing with decent ball handling who cannot shot. In fact he was in the top 10 worst catch and shoot guys in the entire league. He refuses to attack the paint, has zero post up game, and is mentally weak.

Locke's stats seem to agree completely with Stan Van Gundy's observation.

If the Gordy fan club proclaims that they know more than Locke's state and SVG's analysis, then more power to ya... An ok role player when there are already 2-3 stars on the team.

But the rest of us living in reality? We see that he Clearly is not a max guy.
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Stan Van Gundy should be re-asked his opinion on Hayward after Swaggy G dismantled his team in the 4th quarter.
 
The Thriller said:
Even Locke admitted with his analytics analysis that by year 4 a player is who he is. Very few exceptions.

So essentially, we know what Hayward is. He's a soft athletic wing with decent ball handling who cannot shot. In fact he was in the top 10 worst catch and shoot guys in the entire league. He refuses to attack the paint, has zero post up game, and is mentally weak.

Locke's stats seem to agree completely with Stan Van Gundy's observation.

If the Gordy fan club proclaims that they know more than Locke's state and SVG's analysis, then more power to ya... An ok role player when there are already 2-3 stars on the team.

But the rest of us living in reality? We see that he Clearly is not a max guy.
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How is reality treating you so far? You seem to be conspicuously absent...
 
Cy said:
PGAlexLen with the fail.
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Hantlers said:
Lol.
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In pgab defense, derozan is averaging 22.7 ppg, 2.3 steals, 5 rebounds, 2.5 assists for a team that is 6-1 and first place.

So while hayward had been awesome, it's not like derozan has sucked..... and derozan is cheaper (that has to be considered)
 
Hayward has played well in 6 of the first 8 games of the season...so that makes Cy a "prophet". LOL. We've seen these hot streaks before from Hayward, remember the entire month of January last season? Big question remains, can he sustain it for a season?

I will say that I do see more confidence out him and his added upper body strength definitely helps him make shots in traffic that he'd normally miss last season. Making his first ever game winning buzzer beater vs. Cleveland is also a huge confidence booster.
 
franklin said:
Time to dig up my old sig with all the Burks>Hayward quotes?
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Pls do. There are so many of them, honestly. I've countlessly had to bring up the "If Burks > Hayward then why does Team USA not give a single **** about Burks, and never bothers inviting him to anything?" point.
 
fishonjazz said:
In pgab defense, derozan is averaging 22.7 ppg, 2.3 steals, 5 rebounds, 2.5 assists for a team that is 6-1 and first place.

So while hayward had been awesome, it's not like derozan has sucked..... and derozan is cheaper (that has to be considered)
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DeRozan is awesome, and his deal is awesome.
 
akirac73 said:
Hayward has played well in 6 of the first 8 games of the season...so that makes Cy a "prophet". LOL. We've seen these hot streaks before from Hayward, remember the entire month of January last season? Big question remains, can he sustain it for a season?

I will say that I do see more confidence out him and his added upper body strength definitely helps him make shots in traffic that he'd normally miss last season. Making his first ever game winning buzzer beater vs. Cleveland is also a huge confidence booster.
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Love this post as it's filled with a modicum of common sense. With that said, I completely hope that Cy is 100% correct and that Hayward turns into that player we need and want. Consistency will be key, as well as clutchability, but if he improves, the franchise improves and that brings us one step closer to that elusive championship.
 
VINYLONE said:
Love this post as it's filled with a modicum of common sense. With that said, I completely hope that Cy is 100% correct and that Hayward turns into that player we need and want. Consistency will be key, as well as clutchability, but if he improves, the franchise improves and that brings us one step closer to that elusive championship.
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Hayward's MO has been slow starts to the season. This season is definitely different in that regard. Lets see him put it together this year. I think he will.
 
I've always thought Hayward's ceiling was (at best) the second best player on a contender, and stand by it. His contact was a little scary, but he's living up to it so far. He's really taken a step forward. So stoked. Hope he keeps it up.

Now we just need Exum to live up to his potential and become our top dog. Hopefully it doesn't take toooo long. He seems to be a fast learner.
 
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