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I Think We Are Going Tank City Next Year

JGolds said:
I agree 100%.. i just didnt want to get reimed for putting burks on the bench... Illusion or not. i cant see a team with a foundation of (favors, kanter, hayward carroll, burks, evans, most likly foye) being a bottom 5-10 team. they would have to have like a 20-42 record or something....
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What about the other 20 games in the 82 game season :)
 
JGolds said:
I agree 100%.. i just didnt want to get reimed for putting burks on the bench... Illusion or not. i cant see a team with a foundation of (favors, kanter, hayward carroll, burks, evans, most likly foye) being a bottom 5-10 team. they would have to have like a 20-42 record or something....
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You mean 20-62?

I don't think we're looking for a 20-62 record. I believe a 30-52 record, with plenty of close losses and guys fighting hard would get us around the #10 - #12 pick mark.

With a potential LOADED WITH TALENT draft class next year, that might be enough for us to get a pretty decent SF out of it.

Note: The point to me is to get Favors/Kanter/Hayward/Burks fighting for wins. They need to step up next year and learn how to do that from experience, without having Big Al & Millsap carrying them.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
You mean 20-62?

I don't think we're looking for a 20-62 record. I believe a 30-52 record, with plenty of close losses and guys fighting hard would get us around the #10 - #12 pick mark.

With a potential LOADED WITH TALENT draft class next year, that might be enough for us to get a pretty decent SF out of it.

Note: The point to me is to get Favors/Kanter/Hayward/Burks fighting for wins. They need to step up next year and learn how to do that from experience, without having Big Al & Millsap carrying them.
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I really do completly agree. But i dont think they will just be competing. i see them learing how to win together and succeding at it. Let me ask you a question. How many years did it take kd and westbrook and harden to learn how to win together? I think favors and kanter and hayward and burks are ready to start winning. They say great players arent great because they love winning, but becuase they hate loosing. and i think this core 4 hates to loose.

At then end of next season i might be hearing alot of IToldYaSos... but i think i might be the one saying it to y'all. worst i can see us doing is like 37-45 wins.
 
JGolds said:
I really do completly agree. But i dont think they will just be competing. i see them learing how to win together and succeding at it. Let me ask you a question. How many years did it take kd and westbrook and harden to learn how to win together? I think favors and kanter and hayward and burks are ready to start winning. They say great players arent great because they love winning, but becuase they hate loosing. and i think this core 4 hates to loose.

At then end of next season i might be hearing alot of IToldYaSos... but i think i might be the one saying it to y'all. worst i can see us doing is like 37-45 wins.
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Well they started winning it in their third year together.

That's 2 years after they started playing & taking responsibility for the team.

So I would suggest it would take at least '13/14 and '14/15 before we can start turning into a winning basketball team. If I'd had to guess I'd say:

'13/14: 30-62
'14/15: 40-42
'15/16: 50-32

Hopefully that's achievable.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Well they started winning it in their third year together.

That's 2 years after they started playing & taking responsibility for the team.

So I would suggest it would take at least '13/14 and '14/15 before we can start turning into a winning basketball team. If I'd had to guess I'd say:

'13/14: 30-62
'14/15: 40-42
'15/16: 50-32

Hopefully that's achievable.
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2009-2010 they went straight from a 25 win season to a 50 win season. they had all the pieces. their bench still wasnt the best though. Basically as soon as those 4 including ibaka got together they started winning.. there are lots of varibles but i have a good feeling. i have seen to much from these young guys to think other wise. anyways, i am getting myself all amped for this season when its still oh so far away..
 
JGolds said:
2009-2010 they went straight from a 25 win season to a 50 win season. they had all the pieces. their bench still wasnt the best though. Basically as soon as those 4 including ibaka got together they started winning.. there are lots of varibles but i have a good feeling. i have seen to much from these young guys to think other wise. anyways, i am getting myself all amped for this season when its still oh so far away..
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I think that's key. They had Westbrook at PG. They had Durant at SF. They had Harden at SG. Ibaka at PF.

We still lack a major cog in the machine - the PG - which to me is a very important position.

We may get Schroeder/MCW/McCollum/Larkin in the draft - but don't you think it'll take them 1-2 years to "learn the ropes" before start contributing in a meaningful way?
 
Hotttnickkk said:
I think that's key. They had Westbrook at PG. They had Durant at SF. They had Harden at SG. Ibaka at PF.

We still lack a major cog in the machine - the PG - which to me is a very important position.

We may get Schroeder/MCW/McCollum/Larkin in the draft - but don't you think it'll take them 1-2 years to "learn the ropes" before start contributing in a meaningful way?
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i think a PG is important. however i dont think u need a borderline alstar PG. I think if whoever we draft at PG gets decent playing time we will be up to speed by next year. but i still dont think this year will be a flop.
 
Three things will KILL that Jazz record this year:

1 - Foul trouble, especially on the road. I think 10 wins on the road will be a stellar season.

2 - Rookie pg. If we do draft a rookie, he will cost us games as he learns how to close a NBA game.

3 - No bench.

I would set the over/under at 30 games for the Jazz. That puts them in range of the #10 pick in the draft. If someone gets hurt, or Corbin costs us 3-5 wins, that drops us clear down to the fourth pick.

I think this team has worlds of talent, but they don't have a pg, and they don't have a go-to guy. Offensively, we will be TERRIBLE next year. I see this team being up 4-5 in a lot of games and losing, especially early in the year and especially on the road.
 
JGolds said:
i think a PG is important. however i dont think u need a borderline alstar PG. I think if whoever we draft at PG gets decent playing time we will be up to speed by next year. but i still dont think this year will be a flop.
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Yeah OK - may be get them experience in '13/14 and they're ready to go in '14/15. I still think '13/14 will be a struggle though.

Let's say we drafted Schroeder (most likely PG candidate at #14). Numerous mainstream commentators are saying, with how young & inexperienced he is, that it will take at least 2 years in the NBA before he's a legit starter.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Yeah OK - may be get them experience in '13/14 and they're ready to go in '14/15. I still think '13/14 will be a struggle though.

Let's say we drafted Schroeder (most likely PG candidate at #14). Numerous mainstream commentators are saying, with how young & inexperienced he is, that it will take at least 2 years in the NBA before he's a legit starter.
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Double that under Corbin.
 
Wayne Selden. The guy look like he worth goin lotto for?

James Young? That kids badass.

Im down for the tank, maybe. Lets see what rabbit we pull from our hat this offseason.
 
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