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I think we need to try to get Pau Gasol

Gasol is on the downswing, but I'd take him over Big Al as most of you would.

Would the Lakers do it for Raja, Big Al, and GS 1st?
 
Darkwing Duck said:
I would want nothing of Gasol's contract.
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It's basically one year when the Jazz have to pay only the youngsters. What else are we going to do with the money...put it toward the Miller family's 40th car dealership? This year we're paying Al Jefferson $15,000,000 and Raja Bell $3,480,000 = $18,480,000. Pau Gasol is making $19,000,000. I would swap Al Jefferson and Raja Bell for Pau in a second.
 
JJAS said:
It's basically one year when the Jazz have to pay only the youngsters. What else are we going to do with the money...put it toward the Miller family's 40th car dealership? This year we're paying Al Jefferson $15,000,000 and Raja Bell $3,480,000 = $18,480,000. Pau Gasol is making $19,000,000. I would swap Al Jefferson and Raja Bell for Pau in a second.
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Gasol is owed $38,000,000 plus whatever he gets in the trade kicker that's in his contract.
 
So getting Pau means losing Kanter when his rookie contract is up. No way he signs a new one after sitting 3 years on the bench.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Gasol is owed $38,000,000 plus whatever he gets in the trade kicker that's in his contract.
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But that's for this year too. We're paying Al $15,000,000 this year. The point is that if you trade Al and anyone else for Pau, you are basically even this year. You then have to pay him $19,000,000 next year, but we need to sign a lot of players for next year outside of Marvin, and the five youngsters. This gives you a Big man rotation of Pau, Favors, Kanter, Evans. Then you have Marvin, Hayward, and Burks on the wings. You then try to get a quality PG and filler. You have to pay someone; you might as well aim for the fence. I'm so sick if this middling BS.
 
JJAS said:
But that's for this year too. We're paying Al $15,000,000 this year. The point is that if you trade Al and anyone else for Pau, you are basically even this year. You then have to pay him $19,000,000 next year, but we need to sign a lot of players for next year outside of Marvin, and the five youngsters. This gives you a Big man rotation of Pau, Favors, Kanter, Evans. Then you have Marvin, Hayward, and Burks on the wings. You then try to get a quality PG and filler. You have to pay someone; you might as well aim for the fence. I'm so sick if this middling BS.
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This.
 
In general the points of people who are for the Gasol trade agree with my original premise that Gasol is an eilite player and gives us the chance to be elite. People who worry about Gasol's one year remaining on his contract miss the point that paying him $5M more than a resigned Jefferson at $14M is better than committing to 4 years of $14M a year to Jefferson. Then if after 1 extra year of Gasol, both Kanter and Favors blow up, we can trade Gasol at the draft this summer, or at the deadline next year to get assets and commit to a future with our Favors/Kanter combo and any assets we get for Gasol.

If Gasol blows up, I would take 5 years of All star level play by a hall of famer than this middling 6-10 finish junk.

What is guaranteed if we stick with Paul or Al making big money on this team they will lead us to further mediocrity. If we go straight youth now we will stay mediocre until we get an all star in the draft. If we pick up 5-6 years of a Hall of Famer we will be able to parlay our talent and picks to greater success.

This is a deal to be done if we want to give up both Millsap/Jefferson.

I actually think that LA would go for it if we gave them Millsap/Foye/Raja and the lesser of our two picks. I would love it if they would take on Marvin too.
 
blackham9258 said:
Utah IN: Pau Gasol

Utah OUT: Any one of the following, with most preferred first with each big as options: Al Jefferson/Raja, Al Jefferson/Raja/Tinsley, Al Jefferson/Foye/Raja if needed. Millsap/Marvin/Raja, Millsap/Marvin/Foye/Raja, Millsap/Mo/Raja.

Why? I believe at 32 Pau Gasol has 5-6 good years left, maybe even 2 or 3 or 4 elite years left. Why has his productions fallen off the past 2.25 seasons since their championship. The lakers board explains this best, here is their summation from their Salt City Hoops or SLCDunk equivalent informed fans: Pau Gasol was ALL WORLD as a Center. He is a Center and since Bynum finally became healthy and had to be played Pau was taken away from the basket and put as a PF out of position and thus his FG% went down, touches went down as he was playing out of position. It would be for us like trying to play Randy Foye as a PG, you just lose all the good aspects of their game when you make them play a different position. Lakers fans contend that their championship runs that were successful and best lineups came when Gasol/Odom matched up.

Why continued: I think once put back in the low post as a center he will go right back to 19/10 and perhaps much much better. Remember Gasol was 19/10 with Kobe chucking. He would become the focal point of our offense and would thrive unlike any player in the post for the Jazz since Malone and since he is one of the best passers in the league he will be much better than anything Millsap or Jefferson will give us over the next 4 years.

Why continued: Do we really want to sign Al for 4/$56M and give in to mediocrity? Same with Millsap. We have to choose between the 2 and I choose neither if the cost for Al is 4 years at anything from 10-14 which is what he will get. Millsap, I think is an 3/$25M player and he should have accepted that deal offered to him in the off season, but if he breaks out of his slump someone will give him $9-$12M per for 4 years. I don't want that. It locks 0us into mediocrity.

Why...: Pau gives us one more year to see if the young guns are going to be able to take over. If Pau is finished well fine.... don't re up or extend him after next season.

My plan and the upside and options I see:

#1 Pau returns to all world C status and by the off season every team in the league is offering us high lottery picks and players for him: Say Toronto ends up 1-3 and offers their pick, a future pick, and any player you want. Well if we kept Millsap and can resign him to a better contract and Favors and Kanter showed enough promise would we take the picks and Derozen (or some other team and picks and players) and run with that?

#2 Pau returns to all star level and loves being the focal point of an offense and the new found respect, and he sees all the young pieces and picks the Jazz have and he says to himself, I am only 32, and I can lead this young and talented team to the promised land and so he starts to plan for a 3yr/36-42M extension with the Jazz. We go forward and don't resign Millsap and commit to a Gasol/Favors/Kanter rotation of bigs because the rest of this year those three prove to be ready.

#3 Pau is very good the rest of this year but the jury is out on him wanting to stay long term and if we want to keep him long term. The best time to flip him will be at the draft, and if we do we offer contracts to anyone of our choosing: Jefferson, Millsap, West to pair with Favors/Kanter/ and picks. I think if Toronto keeps their pick that is entirely possible. I could see Washington sending us a number 2 or 3 or 4 pick along with a Beal or that SF they drafted last year that we all like from Florida St as long as we took on the last year of Okafor or something for Gasol.

#4 Most importantly we don't give in to the mediocre future of a big 4 year deal to the mediocre Jefferson/or Millsap. Don't get me wrong I like both players but contracts length and size matter now more than ever in this league. If Al Jefferson or Millsap are your highest paid players or close to, you are a destined to a 6-10 finish in the west.

Pau Gives us upside and time and prevents us from making the mistake of a long term contract to Millsap or Jefferson.

#5 My most likely scenario with a Pau trade: Pau comes in and returns to All Star status, having just shipped out our best player in Jefferson we are implicitly telling Millsap that next year Gasol and Favors are starting so why continue the sharade with Millsap. and just put him as the back up PF and make him earn his contract from the bench. Millsap is the leagues best 3rd big. Millsap will either bolt in free agency somewhere so he can be a starter, and if he finds the offers to be to small for his liking he can give into being the leagues 6th man frontrunner each year, accept his fate and his role and resign with the Jazz for 3/$21-25M. Then we try to extend Pau to a good deal if he is playing well and move forward, or we trade him for great picks and talent because we get to sell high on a super talented C asset in a contract year.

2013 Lineups w and w/out Pau:

Mo/Watson (Hopefully we get a PG in the draft with the GSW pick... Marcus Smart)
Burks/Foye
Hayward/Carrol (Williams opts out and we move on)
Favors/Millsap
Gasol/Kanter

or

Marcus Smart (drafted w/ Gasol trade)/ Watson
Burks/Foye
Hayward/Carrol
Millsap/Kanter
Favors/Pick Big with GSW pick Kansas Center Wiffy for shot blocking

Gasol gives us serious options and upside, and prevents us from locking in a mediocre team with a large contract to non star players like Jefferson/Millsap.

DON'T GIVE IN TO MEDIOCRITY!
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good thoughts bro. i dont really agree with you but appreciate the effort.
 
This is a league of stars. We have no stars. Wouldn't it be great to get the last 4 great years of Pau? I love this opportunity.

I mean seriously how often does a team have a chance to pick up a hall of famer during a very productive part of their career. And get to pair that Hall of Famer with real actual talent on the upswiing of their careers. Seriously, Favors-Kanter-Burks-Hayward are all 5 years away from their prime of 26-33. This is such a no brainer opportunity.
 
blackham9258 said:
This is a league of stars. We have no stars. Wouldn't it be great to get the last 4 great years of Pau? I love this opportunity.

I mean seriously how often does a team have a chance to pick up a hall of famer during a very productive part of their career. And get to pair that Hall of Famer with real actual talent on the upswiing of their careers. Seriously, Favors-Kanter-Burks-Hayward are all 5 years away from their prime of 26-33. This is such a no brainer opportunity.
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pau is not a star tho
 
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