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I Wonder if the Jazz F/O Regret This

Sexual Favors said:
You guys spoke tooo soon...again. He still had 15 pts and 4 ast against Wizards, and they won. Last night, against Bulls, MCW had 26 pts and 10 ast, 3 stl, and 4 reb, shooting
.455% fg, and .40% 3fg, and .80ft%.

His stats for the season are:
.468%fg, .471% 3fg, 4.7 reb, 9'0 ast, 4.3 stl, and 20.7 pts, w/ only 2.3 t/o (which is great considering his useage rate and how he's a rook). Gis PER so far is 29.15!!!


https://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2596108/
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You're evaluating a player after 3 games, and we're the ones speaking too soon?

Look, if he keeps this up, then he's the best PG in the league...and he sure as hell isn't the best PG in the league.

I'm sorry, but you don't go from shooting 29% from 3 in college to shooting 47% from 3 in the NBA in one year. He will level off over time, of that I have no doubt. Is he better than Burke? Very possible that he is, but he got drafted where he was because there were so many questions about his game. There is NOBODY who predicted that he would be doing this right now. Nobody. Don't act like you were.
 
And to follow up on Hantler's post, let me remind everyone of Jeremy Lin's little stint in NY when they were anointing him as a top 5 PG. Houston recently made Patrick Beverly starting PG and Lin is now a bench player. I think three things are benefiting MCW right now:

1. Fast paced offense (inflated stats)
2. No opponent scouting against him yet
3. Small sample size

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iWWFk6TX18
 
Sexual Favors said:
You guys spoke tooo soon...again. He still had 15 pts and 4 ast against Wizards, and they won. Last night, against Bulls, MCW had 26 pts and 10 ast, 3 stl, and 4 reb, shooting
.455% fg, and .40% 3fg, and .80ft%.

His stats for the season are:
.468%fg, .471% 3fg, 4.7 reb, 9'0 ast, 4.3 stl, and 20.7 pts, w/ only 2.3 t/o (which is great considering his useage rate and how he's a rook). Gis PER so far is 29.15!!!


https://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2596108/
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So, just because you peaked my interest (you shouldn't have done that btw), I decided I would research his pre-season and summer league statistics, to go along with his college statistics, so that we could compare it to what he's doing right now.

So, in preseason, while averaging 28 mpg (not that many) he shot 32.8% overall on roughly 9.5 shots per game, while shooting 29% from 3 on just under 4 attempts per game, and lets not forget his "stellar" 64.7% from the line on 2.4 attempts per game. Nothing spectacular about those numbers...actually that's a lie. Those are spectacularly bad. Like, terrible. To go along with those numbers, he averaged about 5 rpg, 4 apg and 2 spg and 9 ppg in total. Other than his shooting, his numbers aren't terrible, but not that would get me super excited about him.

Now lets get to the summer league, (which feels like it was forever ago). Well...unfortunately for MCW, these numbers make the previous numbers look good. Fortunately for the 76ers and MCW, he did improve on them! Anyways (drumroll please!), MCW shot a horrid 27% from the field during the summer league, to go along with an absolutely amazing 16% from the 3 and 76% from the line. So while his overall line of 16.8/4.2/6.8 may look good...it really wasn't. Obviously the assists were nice to see, and showed a good vision of the court, he also coupled that with over 4 turnovers per game (an area that he has obviously improved upon). So yeah, wasn't a great summer league for him, but it obviously wasn't for Burke either.

And finally we have college. I'm not really going to touch on his defense in college since he played in a zone, and that doesn't exactly say anything about how a player will do in the NBA. I'm also not going to evaluate his freshman year since I never saw him play, and he played only 10 minutes...can't really take a lot from that.

So his last year in college (his sophomore year) he shot 39% from the field, 29% from 3 and 69% from the line. Pretty similar to what he did in the SL and preseason. He also averaged around 7 apg and 5 rpg, which seem to be skills that (obviously) have translated over.

So when you look at all of these numbers, it's quite easy to see that what he has done in the regular season (for 3 freaking games) is clearly the outlier and an aberration from what his career numbers look like. Now I'm not saying that MCW is terrible, but he certainly is not as good as he has looked so far.

#boombitches
 
Sexual Favors said:
You guys spoke tooo soon...again. He still had 15 pts and 4 ast against Wizards, and they won. Last night, against Bulls, MCW had 26 pts and 10 ast, 3 stl, and 4 reb, shooting
.455% fg, and .40% 3fg, and .80ft%.

His stats for the season are:
.468%fg, .471% 3fg, 4.7 reb, 9'0 ast, 4.3 stl, and 20.7 pts, w/ only 2.3 t/o (which is great considering his useage rate and how he's a rook). Gis PER so far is 29.15!!!


https://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2596108/
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I'll wait until 15-20 games into season when teams normally have their defense finally oiled and players no longer lost before passing out judgement. All NBA games so far are very sloppy.
 
Hantlers said:
So, just because you peaked my interest (you shouldn't have done that btw), I decided I would research his pre-season and summer league statistics, to go along with his college statistics, so that we could compare it to what he's doing right now.

So, in preseason, while averaging 28 mpg (not that many) he shot 32.8% overall on roughly 9.5 shots per game, while shooting 29% from 3 on just under 4 attempts per game, and lets not forget his "stellar" 64.7% from the line on 2.4 attempts per game. Nothing spectacular about those numbers...actually that's a lie. Those are spectacularly bad. Like, terrible. To go along with those numbers, he averaged about 5 rpg, 4 apg and 2 spg and 9 ppg in total. Other than his shooting, his numbers aren't terrible, but not that would get me super excited about him.

Now lets get to the summer league, (which feels like it was forever ago). Well...unfortunately for MCW, these numbers make the previous numbers look good. Fortunately for the 76ers and MCW, he did improve on them! Anyways (drumroll please!), MCW shot a horrid 27% from the field during the summer league, to go along with an absolutely amazing 16% from the 3 and 76% from the line. So while his overall line of 16.8/4.2/6.8 may look good...it really wasn't. Obviously the assists were nice to see, and showed a good vision of the court, he also coupled that with over 4 turnovers per game (an area that he has obviously improved upon). So yeah, wasn't a great summer league for him, but it obviously wasn't for Burke either.

And finally we have college. I'm not really going to touch on his defense in college since he played in a zone, and that doesn't exactly say anything about how a player will do in the NBA. I'm also not going to evaluate his freshman year since I never saw him play, and he played only 10 minutes...can't really take a lot from that.

So his last year in college (his sophomore year) he shot 39% from the field, 29% from 3 and 69% from the line. Pretty similar to what he did in the SL and preseason. He also averaged around 7 apg and 5 rpg, which seem to be skills that (obviously) have translated over.

So when you look at all of these numbers, it's quite easy to see that what he has done in the regular season (for 3 freaking games) is clearly the outlier and an aberration from what his career numbers look like. Now I'm not saying that MCW is terrible, but he certainly is not as good as he has looked so far.

#boombitches
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Sometimes you have to throw out all the numbers & stats, and simply have an eye for talent.

Unfortunately it is a trait which you clearly don't possess.


#Hungry

#Main_Man
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
Look, this is a shock to everyone. He keeps this up, which would the biggest shocker in NBA history, he'll be in the running for MVP. But I predict he won't even come close to these numbers again this year, if ever -- remember Linsanity, when Linn went on a roll. Sure, Linn is better than expected, but nearly as good as when he went on that Linsanity roll. Time will tell.
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Yup. People's memories are short. Especially when it comes to sports.

There is no doubt he has played. He's been terrific. But teams will adjust and pretty soon they send the best defenders at time. Then you'll see if he's all that. I hope he is. I like talented players in the league.


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Hantlers said:
So, just because you peaked my interest (you shouldn't have done that btw), I decided I would research his pre-season and summer league statistics, to go along with his college statistics, so that we could compare it to what he's doing right now.

So, in preseason, while averaging 28 mpg (not that many) he shot 32.8% overall on roughly 9.5 shots per game, while shooting 29% from 3 on just under 4 attempts per game, and lets not forget his "stellar" 64.7% from the line on 2.4 attempts per game. Nothing spectacular about those numbers...actually that's a lie. Those are spectacularly bad. Like, terrible. To go along with those numbers, he averaged about 5 rpg, 4 apg and 2 spg and 9 ppg in total. Other than his shooting, his numbers aren't terrible, but not that would get me super excited about him.

Now lets get to the summer league, (which feels like it was forever ago). Well...unfortunately for MCW, these numbers make the previous numbers look good. Fortunately for the 76ers and MCW, he did improve on them! Anyways (drumroll please!), MCW shot a horrid 27% from the field during the summer league, to go along with an absolutely amazing 16% from the 3 and 76% from the line. So while his overall line of 16.8/4.2/6.8 may look good...it really wasn't. Obviously the assists were nice to see, and showed a good vision of the court, he also coupled that with over 4 turnovers per game (an area that he has obviously improved upon). So yeah, wasn't a great summer league for him, but it obviously wasn't for Burke either.

And finally we have college. I'm not really going to touch on his defense in college since he played in a zone, and that doesn't exactly say anything about how a player will do in the NBA. I'm also not going to evaluate his freshman year since I never saw him play, and he played only 10 minutes...can't really take a lot from that.

So his last year in college (his sophomore year) he shot 39% from the field, 29% from 3 and 69% from the line. Pretty similar to what he did in the SL and preseason. He also averaged around 7 apg and 5 rpg, which seem to be skills that (obviously) have translated over.

So when you look at all of these numbers, it's quite easy to see that what he has done in the regular season (for 3 freaking games) is clearly the outlier and an aberration from what his career numbers look like. Now I'm not saying that MCW is terrible, but he certainly is not as good as he has looked so far.

#boombitches
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I also heard he was told to shoot the ball more often to try and fix his shot that he'd been working on.
 
Yeah, you guys are right. He finally figured out that he just needed to practice shooting. Boy, I bet he wishes Jim Boeheim had thought of that miraculous idea.
 
Hantlers said:
Yeah, you guys are right. He finally figured out that he just needed to practice shooting. Boy, I bet he wishes Jim Boeheim had thought of that miraculous idea.
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You do have to say that his mechanics on his shot look good though.
 
I hope all you morons crying about this so hard are still here when MCW comes back to earth and ends up averaging like 10, 5, 5 on 40% with 4 TOs a game.
 
mhindy said:
I hope all you morons crying about this so hard are still here when MCW comes back to earth and ends up averaging like 10, 5, 5 on 40% with 4 TOs a game.
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I would still be pretty impressed by that and really that's what I'm expecting from Burke.
 
Doublea said:
I would still be pretty impressed by that and really that's what I'm expecting from Burke.
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First, MCW is basically Burks. Burke will be a much better fit with what we have. Second, almost nobody wanted MCW over Burke and McCollum. The revisionist history when he comes back to earth will be comical.
 
mhindy said:
First, MCW is basically Burks. Burke will be a much better fit with what we have. Second, almost nobody wanted MCW over Burke and McCollum. The revisionist history when he comes back to earth will be comical.
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Except MCW averaged like 12 assists in college at 1 point.
 
mhindy said:
First, MCW is basically Burks. Burke will be a much better fit with what we have. Second, almost nobody wanted MCW over Burke and McCollum. The revisionist history when he comes back to earth will be comical.
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I'm really excited by Burke and what he can bring to this team so can't wait for that. Before the draft, I liked MCW, but soon saw that everybody was saying his shot was terrible and you can't have a point guard who can't shoot. I didn't think we would be able to get Burke in any situation, so I really didn't know what the Jazz were going to do. Maybe get McCollum, or just have gone with someone at 14 and Gobert at 21.
 
Hantlers said:
You're evaluating a player after 3 games, and we're the ones speaking too soon?

Look, if he keeps this up, then he's the best PG in the league...and he sure as hell isn't the best PG in the league.

I'm sorry, but you don't go from shooting 29% from 3 in college to shooting 47% from 3 in the NBA in one year. He will level off over time, of that I have no doubt. Is he better than Burke? Very possible that he is, but he got drafted where he was because there were so many questions about his game. There is NOBODY who predicted that he would be doing this right now. Nobody. Don't act like you were.
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Please go back and re-read my posta from this thread. I stated many times that I am equally as surprised as the next, and that I expect him to level off a bit. Before you put your panties on, maybe you should get your facts straight. The post of mine you quoted was in response to people saying he had already started to come down, which wasn't true.

But it is a fact that I saw something in him that others here did not see. Was it his 3pt fg%? Absolutely not. I saw: a 6'6" PG, someone who had incredible court vision, could disrupt the passing lanes, had the body yt allow for easier finishes, someone who would be tough to ahoot over if I was a smaller PG, someone who had good form and mechanica with their shooting stroke but lacked enough spin and arc (so I believe, and stated many time would be fixable, especially when we used to have Hornacek), and someone who was turnover prone and need a tughter handle (which is also fixable with work). I saw someone with confidence and humility who could lead a team.


Per your huge post where you think you sonned me--wigga please. I know what his stats were, and realize he is playing better than he ever has, but it doesn't take away from the potential that he still posessed pre-draft.
 
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