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colton said:
Does anyone actually track points per possession? That would be even better than your FT/2 adjustment to PPS, and seems it wouldn't be hard to do based on sites that now track every possession. And I think all would agree that that would be an excellent metric, no?
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mysynergysports.com.
 
GVC said:
You're both missing the point. Nowhere did I say that, all else equal, higher points per shot is better. Nowhere did I say that drawing a shooting foul is a bad outcome. Who are you arguing with?

My point is that there are better measures that capture how efficiently players use possessions. Ignoring possessions that end in a shooting foul (or a turnover...or ignoring context) is not very smart.

Look at my example again.

Player A uses 11 possessions, scores 5 points and draws 4 fouls.
Player B uses 5 possessions, scores 7 points and draws 0 fouls.

Player B is contributing 1.4 points per possession. For Player A to contribute that much, his possessions have to be worth 11*1.4=15.4 points in total. Since all his points are scored at the line, this means that either those 4 shooting fouls have to be valuable as 15.4 points (3.85 points per shooting foul) OR they have to worth 10.4 points above the value of the free throws made (2.6 points per shooting foul above the value of free throws made). Effectively, you'd have to argue that the defense would be better off giving up a layup and turning the ball over on their next couple possessions than committing a shooting foul. That's ****ing ridiculous.

Yes, a shooting foul is just about the best outcome on a possession. Yes, higher points per shot is better. That doesn't mean points per shot is a good stat relative to other alternatives. True shooting percentage is MUCH better. If you think it undervalues drawing fouls, you can change the weight free throw attempts get in the denominator (below .44) quite easily. Points per shot is ****ing stupid.
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It's not ****ing stupid. If that is the only thing you look at then the person is stupid for just looking at one angle.

PPS is a valid stat to look at.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
It's not ****ing stupid. If that is the only thing you look at then the person is stupid for just looking at one angle.

PPS is a valid stat to look at.
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Do you ever have access to field goal attempts and not free throw attempts (or turnovers)?

Did you even read through my post? You seem to just be asserting it's not stupid without providing any justification. Are you really this dense?
 
GVC said:
Do you ever have access to field goal attempts and not free throw attempts (or turnovers)?

Did you even read through my post? You seem to just be asserting it's not stupid without providing any justification. Are you really this dense?
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Have you not read my 20K+ post?
 
colton said:
Thanks. Maybe next time you could just post the ppp stats in reply, instead of ranting on those who post pps. :-)
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By the way, that site has one of the worst interfaces I've seen recently. I wonder if it gets better if you become a paying customer.
 
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