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The Thriller said:
What sense is Jimmer one dimensional?

Offensively, he might be the most versatile PG the NCAA has seen in years. Long ball game, FT shooting, coming off screens, creating off the dribble, set shot, post up, floaters, and layups are all there. The NBA's MVP didn't have anything close to the game Jimmer had offensively. Drose has 3 moves. Drive and dunk. Drive and contort body to get a layup. Drive and hope to get fouled.
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I don't see Jimmer getting to the lane very effectively in the NBA. IMO, he'll mostly be a spot up shooter and come off some screens. I'd much rather have the guy that can take it all the way to the rack and dunk/get fouled consistently.

Rose averaged 25 points and 7.7 assists this year...Jimmer doesn't have an offensive game to get him anywhere near that in the NBA. Comparing him to Rose is laughable.
 
JohnStockalypse said:
I don't see Jimmer getting to the lane very effectively in the NBA. IMO, he'll mostly be a spot up shooter and come off some screens. I'd much rather have the guy that can take it all the way to the rack and dunk/get fouled consistently.
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I think he will be a good option off of the bench offensively no matter what team he ends up with. I think the real question is whether the guy can play a lick of defense. Pro Jimmer people will say that he was asked to use his energy on the offensive side at BYU. While the people who aren't fond of him will question whether he will be able to even be decent on the defensive side. I don't know who will be right.
 
trigg3r said:
I think he will be a good option off of the bench offensively no matter what team he ends up with. I think the real question is whether the guy can play a lick of defense. Pro Jimmer people will say that he was asked to use his energy on the offensive side at BYU. While the people who aren't fond of him will question whether he will be able to even be decent on the defensive side. I don't know who will be right.
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Well I don't want a shooter off the bench in the lottery...
 
JohnStockalypse said:
I don't see Jimmer getting to the lane very effectively in the NBA. IMO, he'll mostly be a spot up shooter and come off some screens. I'd much rather have the guy that can take it all the way to the rack and dunk/get fouled consistently.

Rose averaged 25 points and 7.7 assists this year...Jimmer doesn't have an offensive game to get him anywhere near that in the NBA. Comparing him to Rose is laughable.
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You completely missed the point. Read the post again.

Shaq averaged far more points than Memo. That's not to say that Memo was one dimensional and Shaq wasn't.
 
Even if Malone weren't hired as a big man coach, ala Kareem for Bynum, he would still be great as a strength coach. Just look how Dwight Howard's physique has evolved; it would be awesome if Favors could do the same.
 
JohnStockalypse said:
Well I don't want a shooter off the bench in the lottery...
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Who's the Dwight Howard and Lebron that we'll be missing at #12?

How old are you by the way? 10?

Your lack of understanding of the lottery really shows with comments like these.

Name 5 players taken in the last 20 years at #12 who have been stars. Do it, I dare you.
 
The Thriller said:
You completely missed the point. Read the post again.

Shaq averaged far more points than Memo. That's not to say that Memo was one dimensional and Shaq wasn't.
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Shaq could also play some D.

Like I said, I don't think see Jimmer being able to take NBA players off the dribble consistently. IMO, in the NBA he will be one dimensional, a shooter.

Much fewer dimensions than Rose who can drive, set up teammates, and has developed a bit more a mid-range game too. He can also D up pretty well. Many more dimensions than Jimmer.

Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
Would you rather have one of the many bust that comprise most of the lottery?
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Jimmer is just as much a bust threat as anyone else.
 
JohnStockalypse said:
Shaq could also play some D.

Like I said, I don't think see Jimmer being able to take NBA players off the dribble consistently. IMO, in the NBA he will be one dimensional, a shooter.

Much fewer dimensions than Rose who can drive, set up teammates, and has developed a bit more a mid-range game too. He can also D up pretty well. Many more dimensions than Jimmer.



Jimmer is just as much a bust threat as anyone else.
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swing and a miss.

Read the post again. Stop playing dumb too.

Still waiting for your list of 5 stars taken at #12.
 
Rose was considered one of the worst defending (starting at least) PG's in the NBA before Thibodeau took over as HC.
 
The Thriller said:
Who's the Dwight Howard and Lebron that we'll be missing at #12?

How old are you by the way? 10?

Your lack of understanding of the lottery really shows with comments like these.

Name 5 players taken in the last 20 years at #12 who have been stars. Do it, I dare you.
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Yes I'm 10. Clown.

What players taken at 12 in the last 20 years have been drafted with the assumption they'll be nothing but bench players?

Would any team spend a #12 pick on someone they don't believe can be a capable starter? If you believe that Jimmer can be that then that's where I think the disconnect is. You want to go into a pick at 12 thinking "let's select a bench player!"? I don't think so, I would hope not. So the only thing I can guess is that you believe Jimmer can a capable starter in the NBA.

I don't see Jimmer's ceiling as any higher than a bench player. THAT'S why I don't want him at 12. It has nothing to do with missing out on a sure LeBron/Dwight at 12. It's about missing out on a player with the POTENTIAL to be a solid starter in the league. I don't see that in Jimmer.
 
The Thriller said:
Completely ignorant comment. Find me 5 stars at #12 in the last 20 years. Do it, I dare you -Thrill
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Who said stars? I said CAPABLE STARTERS.

Here's some guys that were available at 12 without being major reaches (12-20) from 2000-06:
2000
16 Hedo Turkoglu
18 Quentin Richardson

2001
12 Vlad Radmonovic
13 Richard Jefferson
14 Troy Murphy

2003
18 David West

2004
15 Al Jefferson
17 Josh Smith
20 Jameer Nelson

2005
17 Danny Granger

2006
14 Ronnie Brewer
 
mellow said:
Would you like a shooter off the bench in the 16- 20 range?


I think thats where Jimmer will end up and I think the jazz are trading down from that 12 pick.
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This draft is seen as being 3 players deep, and then EXTREMELY weak after that. What team in it's right mind is going to trade up to the #12 spot so Utah can drop back and pick up Jimmer in the 16-20 range?

Personally, I'm worried that Utah won't draft Jimmer, thus leading to years of "Trade For Jimmer" threads as well as all of the Jimmer Fan-Boys spouting off every time the guy scores more than 10 points for some another team.
 
It's also laughable that most NBA scouts have Jimmer pegged as a niche-type of role player, yet you have posters in here actually trying to make it sound as if Jimmer has a better all-around NBA game than Derrick Rose. You'll only see such rationale in a Jazz or BYU forum.

In what is being billed as quite possibly the weakest NBA draft in recent history, Jimmer is being projected mostly in the 10-to-20 range. If this were a deep draft, he'd be lucky to hear his name called in the 1st round.

The kid could end up being a really nice role-player who could parlay his shooting niche into a 10+ year NBA career, but a star or a starter he is not.
 
JohnStockalypse said:
Who said stars? I said CAPABLE STARTERS.

Here's some guys that were available at 12 without being major reaches (12-20) from 2000-06:
2000
16 Hedo Turkoglu
18 Quentin Richardson

2001
12 Vlad Radmonovic
13 Richard Jefferson
14 Troy Murphy

2003
18 David West

2004
15 Al Jefferson
17 Josh Smith
20 Jameer Nelson

2005
17 Danny Granger

2006
14 Ronnie Brewer
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So you are saying Jimmer is the pick then? Because you listed a ton of players that went where Jimmer is projected to go?
 
jazzman12 said:
It's also laughable that most NBA scouts have Jimmer pegged as a niche-type of role player, yet you have posters in here actually trying to make it sound as if Jimmer has a better all-around NBA game than Derrick Rose. You'll only see such rationale in a Jazz or BYU forum.

In what is being billed as quite possibly the weakest NBA draft in recent history, Jimmer is being projected mostly in the 10-to-20 range. If this were a deep draft, he'd be lucky to hear his name called in the 1st round.

The kid could end up being a really nice role-player who could parlay his shooting niche into a 10+ year NBA career, but a star or a starter he is not.
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Exaclty. Maybe this whole place isn't insane.

Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
So you are saying Jimmer is the pick then? Because you listed a ton of players that went where Jimmer is projected to go?
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Good lord.
 
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