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If Kanter and Williams are gone by #3, take Jimmer

Solid post vslice. I think that, even though your idea about Jimmer's likeability in Utah if he didn't go to BYU, I both agree and disagree. While he might be less popular to a degree, I think that the fans in Utah would still be huge fans of a hard working, confident but not cocky Mormon who is one of the best shooters in the NCAA in some time. For me, my optimism regarding Jimmer is justified: he's a worthy candidate of the 3rd pick should Kanter and Williams be off the board when it's their turn to choose. I like Irving too, I'm just a bigger fan of Jimmer.

I also see your point about Jimmer flourishing only if he gets into the right system. While that might be true, I think that he will flourish best in whatever system is devised by Tyrone Corbin and the powers that be. He will immediately become the most popular player on the team and will sell all the tickets and merch that the organization could want in the upcoming season.

But that popularity lasts only for a while. You have to work hard and produce results. Everything I know about Jimmer leads me to the conclusion that he is a dedicated athlete who's also a winner and a leader. The Jazz have the ability to create an offense that compliments his strengths and minimizes any shortcomings that he may have. Ideally, a good offense would do that to a degree for all of the skilled players on their team. After all, good coaches do this kind of stuff all the time. We know that Sloan had his system, but what will Tyrone Corbin's approach be now? Especially since he's 'the guy' and the Jazz have 4 lottery picks this year and last (Favors) on their team.

I believe Jimmer's got what it takes to succeed at the next level. Utah is a team that is being completely overhauled and can go in any direction they choose. They are building this squad essentially from scratch, around a really talented core of young guys, one of whom could be a guy who is already hugely popular with their fan base. Jimmer will succeed not just because of his talent, but most of all for his determination to get better all the time. That's who I want leading my team.
 
Is it just me or are there a bunch of new posters professing their love for Jimmer.... Just sick....

For the dude that thinks we should draft Jimmer 3rd. Hear's what you do.... Delete your jazzfanz account bury your computer smartphone or whatever as to get rid of any temptation to post hear ever again.

This is very important to save my sanity....

I mean are you for real!!!!!!!!! Jimmer at three really! I hope this is a joke.
 
Not smart at 3. Even if you think Fredette's the best player in the entire draft you still have to draft the perceived BPA. THEN you can trade the perceived better player for the guy you like + assets. Otherwise it's a waste.

Fredette will likely be there at 12. He just has to fall past the kings. If the Jazz stay away from Knight then that means either Knight or Kemba (as well as Fredette) will be there for the Kings.
 
vslice02 said:
IMO it all comes down to how talent and potential translates from college to the NBA - I believe Irving is head & shoulders above Jimmer in both, and I think Knight has a small edge as well.
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This is why I see using the 3rd pick on Knight as a waste.
 
If I am allowed to say bad word here, I will use it and put it before NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO for a response.
 
vslice02 said:
IMO it all comes down to how talent and potential translates from college to the NBA - I believe Irving is head & shoulders above Jimmer in both, and I think Knight has a small edge as well.
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BENTLEY said:
This is why I see using the 3rd pick on Knight as a waste.
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I disagree. The only reason I said Knight as a "small edge" is because he's a 19-year old who played 1 year of college basketball while Jimmer played 4 years and was a 3-year starter. With a smaller body of work, you have to rely on player-development and potential alot more for Knight than Fredette, but I definitely think Knight has the tools to be a superior player and wouldn't be opposed to selecting him 3rd.
 
Actually, we should trade Favors and Hayward and our #3 pick with Cleveland for the #1 pick to get Jimmer...that sounds fair.:)
 
Best player available is always a no-brainer with the third pick. Since Melo Anthony was taken with the third pick in '03, the best player taken with the third pick was Deron Williams in 2005. Saying BPA and correctly picking him is two very different things, though. Talent wise, Williams was a good pick that year, but we all know how that turned out. More than half the time since '03 the third pick has been a bust. Add the fact that this is a weak draft class, now Jazz management has an even harder time. Now add the NBA's dirty little secret (the want of a white star) and the possibility of Jimmer being the next NBA poster boy in a Kings uniform - however possible or not - all this weighs heavily on Jazz management. Since Melo being picked third in '03, most of the #3 picks have not panned out as starters. Many believe they know who the BPA for the #3 pick this year is, but history shows that we will be wrong. The worst possible scenario is that the Jazz do not pick Jimmer and he becomes a star with someone else. You better believe this is on the Jazz's mind. With the weak draft class this year, the only guarantee for the Jazz is that Fredette will make them some money for at least one season.
 
Chris said:
I'm finding that the general consensus is that there's a huge dropoff in talent after the first few picks. If Cleveland actually makes the wise decision for their franchise (I hope they don't) and takes Kanter first, I do believe that the T-Wolves (or whomever they trade their pick to) will take Derrick Williams. That means that Kyrie Irving will be available, which, for many, will make him the obvious choice.

However, I've been thinking about how much Jimmer is impressing at his workouts. Also, I love the stones on this kid challenging the other top guards to working out with him head-to-head. I also don't think it's a coincidence that he will potentially be doing this in front of the Jazz brass. I believe that Jimmer will be taken well before the #12 pick (probably by the Kings) and I don't reckon they'll want to give him up. I say this because he is a unique talent. Any team that is willing to draft him relatively high is going to be convinced of how great he could become; thus they will not want to trade him once they get him. I've never seen anyone shoot like he does and he is making it his mission to improve his defense.

Those who know Jimmer's story know about his drive and work ethic. By the time he's 1-2 years into his career, I really don't think any issues he might still have defensively will be what people will be talking about when they discuss Jimmer. They'll be talking about how talented a scorer he is and how undervalued he was going into the draft. Utah will have made a gutsy choice at #3 because they didn't want to risk losing out on such a fine prospect that would be the perfect fit for the team.

At #12, I'm sure we can find a good swingman to fill AK's likely absence. Even though he's more of a shooting guard, I think, with his scoring ability and long arms that Marshon Brooks out of my alma mater Providence College would be a great pickup at the 12 spot.

So, in the event that the top 2 picks go the way I mentioned above, I think this is the best way to make the proverbial lemons into lemonade. Another strategy with this scenario would be the Jazz drafting Irving and trading him to whomever takes Jimmer and getting some more value with additional player(s) from that team while cutting some dead weight of our own in the process.

As far as I'm concerned, I just want to hear Stern announce that the "Utah Jazz select Jimmer Fredette from Brigham Young University." I believe that he will become a cornerstone of this franchise going forward. If Kanter and Williams are gone by 3, I don't care which pick the Jazz use on him.
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I'll challenge knight and kemba, maybe the jazz should draft me.
 
Chris you have had some solid posts on the board but this one is just way out in left field. No way Jimmer should be the 3rd pick.
 
theGrizzFan said:
The worst possible scenario is that the Jazz do not pick Jimmer and he becomes a star with someone else. You better believe this is on the Jazz's mind. With the weak draft class this year, the only guarantee for the Jazz is that Fredette will make them some money for at least one season.
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JMO, but I believe that's also the "least likely" scenario. If the Jazz were only worried about making money for "atleast one season," they would've held onto Deron and hoped to make the playoffs before his contract ran out.
 
I would rather have Irving over all the point guards but if irving is gone and I'm choosing a point guard I pick Jimmer, would rather have kanter though.
 
The only danger is Sacramento. Don't blow the 3rd pick. There will be a good prospect @ 12 even if Sacramento grabs Fredette.
 
BENTLEY said:
The only danger is Sacramento. Don't blow the 3rd pick. There will be a good prospect @ 12 even if Sacramento grabs Fredette.
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This is why I say if wlliams is what is left of the top 3 we trade to Washington for #6 and 18. Draft Jimmer if the jazz feel so inclined or wait until 12 could be a risk.
 
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