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I'm a little worried about Conley

Dali said:
I think Conley will be okay, you have to give it time. But there is one thing that I do worry about as a general team situation. Our starting and finishing guards are basically both 6'1, so I ask myself the question, who are we built to beat in the playoffs?

In the east, if the Sixers and Bucks get through to the final, and we make it out of the west, we come up against a Sixers team that is at minimum 6'6, starting, and probably finishing. The bucks are tall as **** as well. In our conference, I think we can match up against the Blazers and Nuggets of the world. The Clippers and Lakers can try and abuse the switches on us. Kawhi or PG can try and get either Mike or Donovan on the switch, and it's a total mismatch. Same with the Lakers, LeBron/AD.

I mean, I don't want to be the one that addresses the elephant in the room, but it is what it is, and I think it's a concern.
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You're not the only one. Size is a concern with the guards just as it is at PF. And Utah is appreciably weaker at backup C behind Rudy.

Personally, although I was thrilled about getting Bogdanovic, and thought it was time to move on from Rubio, i was concerned about Conley. He's old, short, expensive, not a great defender and needs the ball in his hands to be successful. Jazz would have been better served to pair Donovan with a bigger 3&D player. Call Mitchell a PG or not...he's the one who needs the ball in his hands. Conley can also hit 3's, unlike Rubio, but that's not his primary strength.

Hope I'm wrong, but I think this is going to be a very disappointing and eye-opening season. Rudy cant be in 5 places at once. He's playing with 4 other average to weak defenders (assuming Joe comes off the bench). Team sacrificed way too much defense by making their big signing be in a position that really didnt need an upgrade.
 
Yall know the Jazz got better on D this year, right? Conley is an upgrade to Rubio on D and losing Favors isnt a big deal at all.

The Kings scored over 110 points 3 times on the Jazz last year. It happens.
 
I haven't watched a lot of Conley's defense in the past, and maybe it will get better in the regular season, but through preseason he is MUCH worse than Rubio.
 
I didn't like the Conley trade when it happened but over time talked myself into liking it.

I still think that DM should be our point guard and we should look for a 2 guard with size and shooting who is a good defender to pair with DM.

No matter what through we should all reserve judgement on this extremely new roster until around the all Star break. I trust that quin will figure things out and get this team to top 3 team in the West status and true contenders.

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fishonjazz said:
I didn't like the Conley trade when it happened but over time talked myself into liking it.I still think that DM should be our point guard and we should look for a 2 guard with size and shooting who is a good defender to pair with DM.
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If Mitchell didn't have such a good % on his catch-and-shoot 3s, I might agree. But having him play half the game off of the ball is really good for us.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yall know the Jazz got better on D this year, right? Conley is an upgrade to Rubio on D and losing Favors isnt a big deal at all.

The Kings scored over 110 points 3 times on the Jazz last year. It happens.
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Um, Rubio was a better defender. Conoly gets steals, but Rubio was long, tall, and big for his position. I'm not at all saying that Conoly is bad at defense, but you're an idiot if you're saying that Conoly is better at defending than Rubio.

Smaller point guards are a liability especially in today's nba where defensive switches are everywhere. You cant expect Conoly to be able to switch to a taller player on defense and be able to keep them ahead of him.

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Kyoto said:
Smaller point guards are a liability especially in today's nba where defensive switches are everywhere.
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This point is irrelevant when you realize that Conley's superior shooting over Rubio means that the number of transition opportunities opposing teams will have has been significantly slashed.

Conley improves our D over Rubio just by shooting his shots.
 
Engorged On Unborn Gore said:
This point is irrelevant when you realize that Conley's superior shooting over Rubio means that the number of transition opportunities opposing teams will have has been significantly slashed.

Conley improves our D over Rubio just by shooting his shots.
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The point was his defense, not offense. Your logic is so derpy, by your stupid logic James Harden is the best defender in the league

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Kyoto said:
Um, Rubio was a better defender. Conoly gets steals, but Rubio was long, tall, and big for his position. I'm not at all saying that Conoly is bad at defense, but you're an idiot if you're saying that Conoly is better at defending than Rubio.

Smaller point guards are a liability especially in today's nba where defensive switches are everywhere. You cant expect Conoly to be able to switch to a taller player on defense and be able to keep them ahead of him.

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You say this like I didn't watch Rubio play defense last year. Whatever advantage he may of had defensively in the past, those days are gone. He can sometimes be pesky on ball, but he gave up fighting through screens and lost track of his defensive assignment constantly. His height advantage earned him 10 blocks last year. Mike Conley had 22.
 
Catchall said:
If you're going to trade Conley at this point, which I wouldn't, you should just plan on playing Mitchell and Exum at the 1, and see if you can get a killer wing for that salary slot.
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You couldn't trade Conley right now. He is to good of a player and could be great with the team. The Jazz shouldn't make any trades for that matter because they will need a few months to see how everything fits.
 
Catchall said:
He means that Rubio's bricks give up long rebounds that get the other team out in transition.
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So, yeah... James Harden makes shots, therefore he is a plus on defense because it gives the Rockets time to get back on defense. It makes sense to that degree... I guess, but just because Rubio was 30% from 3 doesn't mean that he was bad defensively or even worse than Conoly

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framer said:
You say this like I didn't watch Rubio play defense last year. Whatever advantage he may of had defensively in the past, those days are gone. He can sometimes be pesky on ball, but he gave up fighting through screens and lost track of his defensive assignment constantly. His height advantage earned him 10 blocks last year. Mike Conley had 22.
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The Jazzs defense was to funnel everything to Rudy. People could just shoot over conoly if they are a taller PG. Frank Layden says, "you cant teach height". Taller players typically are better defenders. TYPICALLY. Rubio was also heavier, couldnt get pushed around as much.

Besides, you are referring to block shots between Rubio and Conoly... are you high? What's the difference between 22 blocks and 10 blocks a game? One was bad at blocking shots and the other person was worse? What kind of point are you trying to prove?

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Kyoto said:
The Jazzs defense was to funnel everything to Rudy. People could just shoot over conoly if they are a taller PG. Frank Layden says, "you cant teach height". Taller players typically are better defenders. TYPICALLY. Rubio was also heavier, couldnt get pushed around as much.

Besides, you are referring to block shots between Rubio and Conoly... are you high? What's the difference between 22 blocks and 10 blocks a game? One was bad at blocking shots and the other person was worse? What kind of point are you trying to prove?

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Rubio was a massive liability on defense last year, no matter what his measurements are. The blocks are important not that they show Conely was good at blocking shots, but that he apparently was more effective at bothering shots than the taller Rubio. If we are allowing teams to post up Conley, the entire scheme has failed.

Whatever arguable benefits Rubio gave us defensively are simply swallowed by the offensive upgrade of Conley.
 
framer said:
Rubio was a massive liability on defense last year, no matter what his measurements are. The blocks are important not that they show Conely was good at blocking shots, but that he apparently was more effective at bothering shots than the taller Rubio. If we are allowing teams to post up Conley, the entire scheme has failed.

Whatever arguable benefits Rubio gave us defensively are simply swallowed by the offensive upgrade of Conley.
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You're argument is stupid. Rubio was statistically good on defense, ask David Locke.

Rubio's job was to play the perimeter and let Favors and Gobert block shots. How many shots would you expect anyone to get on the Jazz if you already are playing defense where you WANT the other team to drive into the lane and take 5-15 foot shots?

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

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