Game6Conley
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He's not an eternal roleplayer though, he's a consistent starter.. wait til you see what he's about to get paid..
Hayward Hood and Barnes could all hit 100 3's next season. Hood and Hayward 150+
I'm all in for getting Gay
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He's not an eternal roleplayer though, he's a consistent starter.. wait til you see what he's about to get paid..
Hayward Hood and Barnes could all hit 100 3's next season. Hood and Hayward 150+
Game6Conley
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because they can play together, this is getting more help for Hayward adds another dimension, and much more depth to the team -- The bench would be muuuuch better, even if Hayward and Barnes are starting on the wing.
Barnes isn't someone dribbling the ball much or wasting the shot clock, like Rudy Gay.. He's a floor spacer and can attack closeouts, and pull up from midrange or attack the basket..
Look at these other contracts Utah has, Withey is cheap, there's a multitude of cheap PG possibilities, they can afford to make one big acquisition for sure. Ingles is cheap.
Then they'll be the additions of the draft pick or whatever comes from the draft.. Exum back, Healthy Burks, youngins have an off-season to get ready..
Hood going into a 3rd year will come back with a vengeance, If he doesn't start slow like this season that'll be key for a big season..
Barnes would be a key move for getting to 100ppg IMO.
Game6Conley
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The contract would be somewhere around 4 years 86 million for those wondering..
Lets say Barnes is the only move.. and they keep Pleiss in the D-League
Exum-Hayward-Barnes-Favors-Gobert
Burke-Burks-Hood-Lyles-Withey
Neto-Mack- Low cost FA/2nd round pick- Ingles - 1st rd pick(big)
Barnes could play some back up PF too..
That's only 80 something million total salary and I think 15 or 16 players depending on if Pleiss counts... (Obviously I'd cut him if need be)
Lets say Barnes is the only move.. and they keep Pleiss in the D-League
Exum-Hayward-Barnes-Favors-Gobert
Burke-Burks-Hood-Lyles-Withey
Neto-Mack- Low cost FA/2nd round pick- Ingles - 1st rd pick(big)
Barnes could play some back up PF too..
That's only 80 something million total salary and I think 15 or 16 players depending on if Pleiss counts... (Obviously I'd cut him if need be)
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Game6Conley
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Then in the summer of 2017 if they were to resign Hayward for 25mil per season, and Rudy for 15 per..
The salary would be right around 100 mil.. Mack, Burke and Withey would expire, but there'd be 2 1st round picks to replace them..
It's feasible..
The Cap is supposed to be 92 this next season and then close to 100 the one after that..
The salary would be right around 100 mil.. Mack, Burke and Withey would expire, but there'd be 2 1st round picks to replace them..
It's feasible..
The Cap is supposed to be 92 this next season and then close to 100 the one after that..
Dumb ideas on jazzfanz never cease to shock me, but b_line, this is towards the top.
(coming from the guy who has by far had the most and fills the top ten Shaqtin' a fool nominees on JF.)
Wut?
Cappy_Smurf
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Lol. Surprised Green hasn't chimed in here. He's been pushing the idea for months. Maxing Barnes would make us the laughing stock of the league. No thanks. I also think Hood is getting disrespected here. I wouldn't move him to the bench for anything less than a star.
b_line
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Do you even gay, bro?
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Not factoring in what Exum and Hood will get after their rookie deals. I'm assuming Burks is let go. If 5 players are taking up $100M, it will be awfully tough to add 8 more for around $15M (about what would be left before hitting the luxury tax).
b_line
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Yeah hood is the man. Can't see him being benched, but maybe getting a wing that's kind of like the third starting wing, just starts when we play small ball or something.
Hood is the long term solution though. He is gonna be an option 1b to Hayward's 1a.
Not saying I think Hayward is the number one option bs that everyone is griping abiut, just saying on this team, they are offensive 1a and 1b.
NAOS
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Agreed RE: Hood. His shooting and operation out of the PnR is going to be our best offensive weapon purrrrty damn soon.
NAOS
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srs, you'll be swapping Hood and Hayward in that ranking by the middle of next year.
b_line
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That'd be pretty awesome. Hood probably won't get to where he is as good of an all around player as gordon, but I could definitely see him being a prolific offensive player. And he is no slouch in the rest of the game either.
I loved that put back dunk in the last game. I haven't seen that side of hood before. He's actually pretty athletic.
NAOS
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yeah, I'd be surprised if he's ever as good as Hayward on the defensive side.
Game6Conley
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It's a great idea, and certainly wouldn't make the Jazz any sort of laughingstock.. Teams would be happy we pried young lottery talent away from the defending champs, he's easily one of the best players that could be had, and would be a massive upgrade on an already strong wing unit.
Frankly, the Jazz will likely spend $$$ on a lesser talent..
If it's a trade for Rudy Gay it'll cost $$ and draft picks.. That **** makes less sense, certainly.. he'd just be a rental too..
There's about 25 mil coming off the books that offseason with Hood and Exum's extension.. Favors 12mil is half of it..
If management really does plan on matching restricted deals to go over the cap, this is a good blueprint..
There's teams in that salary range right now, and we're talking being there after 2 bumps up of the salary cap
Burks contract runs thru 2018/2019, so he's locked in til the next offseason.. Barnes would be signed thru 2020, Hayward and Rudy too..
The Jazz can easily fill in 8 roster spots with cheap players if they wanted FWIW, they won't need too but just look at all the future draft picks.. they can do it..
Game6Conley
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Harrison Barnes would take the lions share of his minutes from Jazz superstars such as Trevor Booker, Chris Johnson and Joe Ingles... (Who combined to play nearly 4,000 minutes this season)
Those 3 also combined for 350 3pt attempts..
The Jazz can cut their rotation down with a move like Barnes..
With Hayward getting nearly 3000 minutes, Hood, Favors, Gobert 2500 minutes, Barnes 2300, Burks 2150, and Exum 2000 the Jazz rotation will fill out nicely, they'll only need to plug in the rookies and minimum salary/3rd string players for short stretches, if no one gets hurt.
Those 3 also combined for 350 3pt attempts..
The Jazz can cut their rotation down with a move like Barnes..
With Hayward getting nearly 3000 minutes, Hood, Favors, Gobert 2500 minutes, Barnes 2300, Burks 2150, and Exum 2000 the Jazz rotation will fill out nicely, they'll only need to plug in the rookies and minimum salary/3rd string players for short stretches, if no one gets hurt.
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Game6Conley
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No !! People have been dogging my FA preferences for years.. this is in line with my posts about Signing Tobias Harris last summer, and as I've said before I like Barnes better than Harris.
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Game6Conley
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Harrison Barnes is clearly being underutilized, and he's clearly capable of more, his USG Rate this season was 15.9 335th in the League..
Close USG% players(who also played 2000 minutes) Patrick Beverely, George Hill, Trevor Ariza, Langston Galloway, Gary Harris, Allen Crabbe, Zaza Pachulia, Otto Porter, Hollis Thompson, and Rudy Gobert..
Close USG% players(who also played 2000 minutes) Patrick Beverely, George Hill, Trevor Ariza, Langston Galloway, Gary Harris, Allen Crabbe, Zaza Pachulia, Otto Porter, Hollis Thompson, and Rudy Gobert..