We are assuming Butler will be at least AS good as Josh Howard in 5 years (Howard will be out of the league, and certainly not on the Jazz) and could be pretty good since he's, you know, a rookie.
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If he's really impressing, he won't be available. He's a rookie SF with a good body and a better brain.
This Josh Howard acquisition will be nothing besides throwing $3 million away unless they make a lot of noise in the playoffs or trade him for something else to develop. Hell, even if they make a lot of noise in the playoffs, how much of that has to do with him, and how could that make the Jazz (without him, because he will not be on the team after this year) better in the longterm?
I just don't think stacking the team with rookies is a good idea. I tend to think veteran "leadership" gets blown out of proportion, but you don't want your whole team to be 1st and 2nd year players.
NotDeadYet
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Maybe Golden State would give us Dorell Wright for CJ if we added Jeremy Evans. His dunks would help them sell tickets, since they've suddenly become a rather bad team...
Why do we want Dorrel Wright? He is a chucker without the attacking ability CJ has. The only reason he probably doesn't shoot more shots is because Monta won't pass him the ball. I think in 30 mpg he averages less than half the FTA CJ does.
From every GS game I have watched, they have no problem selling tickets.
Here's mine:
Harris, Bell, that second rounder we got for Memo and Tomic for Rubio. If that's not enough I'm willing to sweeten the pot with any combination of Bird rights to Andrei, draft rights to Kaniel Dickens, that other dude in Europe, the space that was The Mayan, Wilford Brimley, property near Lake Powell, Steve Powell, the Miller family fry sauce recipe or the Rights to 5 consecutive draft choices after the Jazz move out of Utah.
Harris, Bell, that second rounder we got for Memo and Tomic for Rubio. If that's not enough I'm willing to sweeten the pot with any combination of Bird rights to Andrei, draft rights to Kaniel Dickens, that other dude in Europe, the space that was The Mayan, Wilford Brimley, property near Lake Powell, Steve Powell, the Miller family fry sauce recipe or the Rights to 5 consecutive draft choices after the Jazz move out of Utah.
carolinajazz
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...Curry is worthless, especially on defense. Stick with what we got....or bring up a D-League clown or AND1 League hopper!
Hearsky
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"....suddenly become a rather bad team...."? What the Hell are you talking about? They have been horrible for over 30 years. It is the most irrelevant franchise in pro sports.
The Jazz don't seem to have missed Josh Howard that much. The point you're making seems to be that having an additional young player is a net negative.
Besides that, it's not as though the Jazz are trading their franchise player here. There are and can be no illusions of that. What anyone is getting from Howard after this year is anyone's guess. Because of his history (mix and match off-the-court stuff, injury problems, and age), his future AND his value is even more nebulous. He is not in the Jazz's medium to longterm plans, this has been known and told from the start. Josh Howard is using the Jazz to resurrect his career, and if the Jazz are smart, they'll seize on his resurrection to add something that they can work with in this renovation (success to this point doesn't change that this team is under construction). Because of this history, where he sits in his career, and where he sits contractually, there is a short-list of destinations that would really want him now (real contenders) and have something interesting to give in exchange. OKC is fine, they've let their cake bake and it's looking nice. Portland has too many perimeter players demanding time as it is. I think SA is pretty well set in their rotation as well and I'm not sure what they'd be willing to give that I or the Jazz would want. The Lakers aren't contenders (yet), but I wouldn't really want to help them, and I'm also not sure how psyched I'd be on any of their young players either. Same with Dallas (who probably don't even want Howard). Same with Miami. Same with NYK (even though they're not contenders). Boston are on their way out the door. Indiana are fringe contenders and don't need him... But Chicago? They're knocking on the door and could really use a player like Josh Howard since they don't have a lot of breadth in terms of scoring bunch and all the wings besides Deng are unidimensional and/or not that good (yet). And they happen to have a player that I (and a lot of people) think is an intriguing prospect.
The bottom line is that the Jazz don't have anything resembling a real SF in five years, why not take an incredibly low-risk roll on this kid if it's possible?
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Hearsky
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Umm, they have been to the playoffs ONE time in 18 years.....even the Clippers can beat that. In a league where you have a better than 50% chance of making the playoffs in any given year.
NAOS
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I think you nailed it. But, I have one small and potentially silly thing to add:
Chicago also has a penchant for horses from our stable.
carolinajazz
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.....obviously, "NotDeadYet"....is now DEAD!!!
GVC
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Did you miss the Dallas game?
green
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The only problem with this, is Ricky Rubio will leave us faster than Deron, Carmello, Paul, etc. He didn't leave Europe to play in Utah or Minnesota. I would bet half a dollar bill that he ends up in NY, NJ, or LA.
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Im Naos and Naos is me. Numberica is someone else.
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