"In Favors and Kanter We Trust" article

[nightmare3983]

Completely self-inflicted. The Jazz had an opportunity to get rid of AK and didn't. Okur was signed to an unwise extension, as was a brittle Harpring. Poor management decisions. Oh yeah, shouldn't decision-making be part of the "good organization" evaluation?

Do you remember when the Jazz gave Harpring his last extension? As for Memo, it turned out unwise, but in fairness he had a pretty catastrophic injury, and the Jazz made a great move to send him to the Nets, which created the trade exception used to get Mo.

 

[Tarkanian]

stupid propaganda

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

So you'd rather be a fringe playoff team for years and years rather than make moves to be a CHAMPION, then rebuild again as needed? Sorry, no one has reunions for the teams that ALMOST made it. But CHAMPIONS are remembered FOREVER!

Jazz organization grew lazy because they HAD - and WASTED - two of the greatest talents in NBA history. Hornacek was a good talent to bring in, but who were the others? An aging Antoine Carr, Mike Brown, Ty Corbin, Chris Morris. Had the Jazz not had the unbelievable fortune of having 2 HOF'ers, Utah would be considered one of the WORST organizations in the NBA.

C'mon man you do realize we went to two championships two years in a row. Had Houston gone those years and us the years they did we probably have at least one championship, and Houston still looking for there first. Also don't forget we did trade Chris Morris and Greg Foster for Ronnie Seikaly. Just think of that front court him and Malone would've been a force. It's not Millers fault Seikaly refused to honor the trade.

 

[Stifle Tower]

There were a couple of deals for AK that were nixed by Larry H.; most notably the one for Marion. Shawn's contract expired a year earlier than AK's, so it would have saved the organization $17M. Okur's injury WAS a fluke, but giving him an extra season was unnecessary. You know he would have signed with Utah as a FA. As for Harpring, no, it DID handcuff the Jazz. They gave him nearly $7M after he had had several knee surgeries. The team then had to give up a 1st rounder in order for someone to take his salary off our hands (and not pay $10M in salary and taxes). Yes, I realize Maynor got hurt...that was unforeseen, but that's not the point. Since giving up Maynor, who have the Jazz had manning the point? Maynor was better as a rookie than any of those retreads. Oh yeah, and Sloan was playing Maynor quite a bit at the point with Deron at the 2, allowing DWill to get more offensive opportunties, which is what he wanted. You don't think the trade affected Deron's feelings towards the organization?

Jazz can't decide who they want to be. The coaching staff is absolutely horrible. Where's the accountability? Where's the "system"? And we, as fans, keep giving them a pass. Last year we did the same thing..."oh they're playing these guys because they're "showcasing" them for a trade? We've done the same thing this year. How many coaches in the league would keep trotting out Watson/Tinsely, Foye and Marvin Williams? How many FO's would stand for it?

Maybe add Milwaukee to the list of organizations BECOMING better than Utah. They had the ^%$&# to make a bold trade by getting rid of an oft-injured Bogut. And when Skiles was underperformign as a coach, they pulled the plug and replaced him with Boylan. They're on their way to the playoffs. Utah is backsliding to the 9th spot. Let's hope someone in the Jazz organization has the $%#@! to do the same (i.e. change the coaching staff) this summer.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Except if Sap signs a $9m per to come off the bench with a willingness to backup & help our young talent grow.

Doubt that'll happen though, but you never know.

With coach Ty do you really think he'd sit Sap, or start and play him 35 minutes a game?

 

[Basketball_Romantic23]

There were a couple of deals for AK that were nixed by Larry H.; most notably the one for Marion. Shawn's contract expired a year earlier than AK's, so it would have saved the organization $17M. Okur's injury WAS a fluke, but giving him an extra season was unnecessary. You know he would have signed with Utah as a FA. As for Harpring, no, it DID handcuff the Jazz. They gave him nearly $7M after he had had several knee surgeries. The team then had to give up a 1st rounder in order for someone to take his salary off our hands (and not pay $10M in salary and taxes). Yes, I realize Maynor got hurt...that was unforeseen, but that's not the point. Since giving up Maynor, who have the Jazz had manning the point? Maynor was better as a rookie than any of those retreads. Oh yeah, and Sloan was playing Maynor quite a bit at the point with Deron at the 2, allowing DWill to get more offensive opportunties, which is what he wanted. You don't think the trade affected Deron's feelings towards the organization?

Jazz can't decide who they want to be. The coaching staff is absolutely horrible. Where's the accountability? Where's the "system"? And we, as fans, keep giving them a pass. Last year we did the same thing..."oh they're playing these guys because they're "showcasing" them for a trade? We've done the same thing this year. How many coaches in the league would keep trotting out Watson/Tinsely, Foye and Marvin Williams? How many FO's would stand for it?

Maybe add Milwaukee to the list of organizations BECOMING better than Utah. They had the ^%$&# to make a bold trade by getting rid of an oft-injured Bogut. And when Skiles was underperformign as a coach, they pulled the plug and replaced him with Boylan. Let's hope someone in the Jazz organization has the $%#@! to do the same this summer.

I agree with most of what you said, But Foye should get minutes. He has played well. If you disagree with him starting, I can understand that, but if we start Hayward, he never sees the ball with MO and Jefferson starting alongside him. Becsaue of this, I kind Hayward off the bench.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I agree with most of what you said, But Foye should get minutes. He has played well. If you disagree with him starting, I can understand that, but if we start Hayward, he never sees the ball with MO and Jefferson starting alongside him. Becsaue of this, I kind Hayward off the bench.

Thanks.
But Mo hasn't played for months. Hayward has been on fire since coming back (well, outside of the last game) and Foye has been in a terrible slump for how long? And Marvin...wow! Hayward starting wouldn't be a problem, since there is a non-scoring PG. Foye and Burks have played pretty well together, something even Corbin noted. So have them anchor the 2nd unit. And what about poor DeMarre? All he's done is rebound and hit shots. Nope, definitely don;t want to start him.

The ONLY thing I can figure out...unless Ty is the densest coach in the league (well second, since PKM says Smart is worse), is that the Ty has made a deal with the devil (AKA KOC). In exchange for keeping his job, Ty promises to keep playing Marvin, hoping he'll do anything of value so the Jazz can shop him this summer. And not play DeMarre, hoping the Jazz can re-sign him on the cheap. Of course, that doesn't explain Watson/Foye. Assistants around the league probably laugh when game-planning their defense for the Jazz. "Hey guys, we're playing 5 on 2 tomorrow night. Just double their bigs and let everyone else shoot."

 

[b_line]

I thought the article was actually pretty high on the young bigs. Granted, it did have some propaganda about how we need to be thankful for winning every year, even if it is only enough to get to the playoffs. Whatever though, that is what most of the jazz fans have come to expect. I am getting sick of it though. I want us to grow like OKC. I know you can't follow their model exactly, but what if we lucked out in the lottery, or even got another decent player to complement our young guys. In the state of the league today, you had better have two all world guys if you want to win it all, and the only way to challenge that is to have 4-5 borderline all stars. Ever since we had Karl and John, we have just had at most 3 guys who were borderline all stars, and normally just two who were legit (Boozer and Williams) sometimes Okur would play out of his mind, and AK would show glimpses. If we have four players who are consistently good to borderline great at the right time, I think we have a chance, and it would have been easier to get with a draft pick last year, and a better pick in this upcoming draft. So we probably should have not made the playoffs last year, and then this year just given the team to our young guys.


The thing that is starting to bug me about the kanter/favors situation is that right now they are at least as good all around as Jefferson and Millsap. In my opinion, we should have a four man rotation at the 4/5 of Millsap, Favors starting, and Kanter the primary backup, with Jeremy as the 4th big. Look at what we got from Millsa, Favors and Kanter in the Bucks game: It was something like 73 points and 39 rebounds. That is dang good. AND they play defense. All of them. Our team would be unstoppable if each of them were getting around 30 mpg, and Evans around 10.

 

[Goodluckchuck]

IMO, it's crap like this that makes reporters look like a puppets. What is wrong with mixing up the bench and starting lineup to have an equal amount of offense and defense? This is more than fans just wanting to see the young core play. It's that we actually believe that they can help the team more than what coach Corbin, or the upper management believes they can. I mean lets be honest, the starters don't play great defense and the bench could use a little more offense. And they question, and act naive to why the first and third quarters are the worst quarters? Corbin knows why!

You put Millsap on the 2nd unit and start Favors, you will see a better defensive starting lineup. And then by bringing Millsap off the bench it gives the 2nd unit an offensive spark along with Hayward that we need. It isn't rocket science. So why hasn't it even been attempted or mentioned by the media? A veteran doesn't always need to start because he has been in the league longer. What happened to the NBA being a team sport. To do whatever it takes to help the team win? How does always playing Millsap and Jefferson together make us better? We as fans are very passionate about our team, and right now our team is hurting because the coach and upper brass don't want to risk upsetting the vets. When in fact they should care more about the team as a whole than any one player.

 

[midnight_hwy]

IMO, it's crap like this that makes reporters look like a puppets. What is wrong with mixing up the bench and starting lineup to have an equal amount of offense and defense? This is more than fans just wanting to see the young core play. It's that we actually believe that they can help the team more than what coach Corbin, or the upper management believes they can. I mean lets be honest, the starters don't play great defense and the bench could use a little more offense. And they question, and act naive to why the first and third quarters are the worst quarters? Corbin knows why!

You put Millsap on the 2nd unit and start Favors, you will see a better defensive starting lineup. And then by bringing Millsap off the bench it gives the 2nd unit an offensive spark along with Hayward that we need. It isn't rocket science. So why hasn't it even been attempted or mentioned by the media? A veteran doesn't always need to start because he has been in the league longer. What happened to the NBA being a team sport. To do whatever it takes to help the team win? How does always playing Millsap and Jefferson together make us better? We as fans are very passionate about our team, and right now our team is hurting because the coach and upper brass don't want to risk upsetting the vets. When in fact they should care more about the team as a whole than any one player.

Very well said.
This is what needs to be done. We all know Favors would be an asset on defense with the starting unit and Millsap would be a benefit to the second unit. But the we have to start all the freaking vets mentality BS that Ty has and the Boozer "I'm a starter" mentality that Millsap has kills all this.

As much as I hate on Jefferson, I actually think he would have no qualms with coming off the bench if it meant the team would have a better shot at winning.

I'm so sick of the me first mentality of most of the players now. ****ers should all have been golfers if they only care about there own gain.