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Insight into the Jerry Sloan fiasco

I buy it. It fits the events. But doesn't say anything we didn't already know. I miss Jerry.
 
If Deron was really faking it to cruise through or miss practices, then I am glad he's gone. He just doesnt have the maturity and smarts of a Stockton. It is not like as if Stockton and Malone did not have their disagreements with Sloan, but how they went about resolving it says a lot about who they were as players. If Deron was dumb enough to think that it was the system that was the problem and not the fact that we didnt have wings worth a darn or that his own play was mediocre because of a nagging wrist issue, then he is'nt even as smart as I thought he was. He needs to pull a Lebron and go to a team where there are already established go-to players because he does'nt quite have it in him to lead a team to the title. Atleast, as of now.
 
Stickler said:
Utah Jazz fan fiction... what the ****. Why didn't I think of this before?

"Defense! Defense!" cried old man Sloan. "Cover the ****ing ball! God damn it." His eyes flashed savagely. He kicked the air in frustration. "Get it through your thick ******** heads!"

At the Utah Jazz Practice Facility, the play had come to a stand-still. The players looked at each other. They looked at their coaches. The younger guys -- the weaker guys -- Hayward and Evans -- had fear in their eyes.

Al Jefferson sighed and leaned against a white wall, feeling the cold of the brick on his back. Sweat poured down his face, and he bunched up his jersey and wiped it away. He knew what was coming: Deron was itching for a fight. He could sense his point guard's mood. Lately it had been dangerous -- venomous. Deron had been slamming doors this morning. Scowling in the locker room. Glowering in the weight room. Al didn't know why. There was a black vacuum of anger in the center of his friend that Al didn't understand. Didn't want to.

Deron Williams tucked the ball under one arm with a smirk and took a few steps toward Sloan. "Don't be too hard on them, coach. Nobody in the league can guard me one on one."

Al watched as the old coach, the legend and warrior, stiffened, his shoulders canting almost imperceptibly into a fighting stance. His mood, lately, hadn't been much better than Deron's.

"That's why we rely on team defense. This look like ****ing one on one to you?" He gestured toward the other nine players, and, vaguely, to the four others who presently hovered nearby. "I guess it must, way you've been playing lately."

Deron took a few dribbles, looked at the floor, and seemed to be considering his response. Al might have said, "You're right, coach -- I've got to pass more." Or, "How can I improve?" It was too much to hope for. Deron put the ball back on his hip, looked the old man in the eye, and said, "**** you, coach." And gave a little half-smile.

Before the words were out, Sloan was charging forward with a fist raised. His face went white around the edges and red at the center. "I'll ****ing show you," he raged. But he had scarcely taken a single step before two of his assistants had his arms pinned in a duplex wrap-up.

Al was too far away to make out what they murmured to him; and it didn't matter. He crouched and flexed his knees, locking his hands together in front of him. This was not what he had signed on for.

One of the coaches -- the Layden boy -- was blowing his whistle and telling the players that practice was over.

Again, Al mopped sweat off his face as he began to walk slowly toward the showers. The coaches fell into a far corner to confer and try to calm the raging of the old man. A few factions of guys formed up as some of the players remained behind to work on their shots and rebound for each other and talk about their families.

Normally Al might have been one of them. But not today. Today he didn't have the energy. All he wanted to do was go home and get into the hot tub with a damned crate of Budweiser.

One of the guys fell into place beside him and said, "He wasn't always like this."

That was Ronnie. The peacemaker. Al wasn't sure if he meant Deron or old man Sloan. He grunted noncommittally.

"I mean it," said Ronnie.

...etc.
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This post is soooo full of WIN I cant even begin to break it down! You, sir, have earned my 2nd ever +rep! Congratulations to you and your family.
 
write4u said:
Makes sense to me ... Jerry had had enough. It also sounds like this is the side of DWill we didn't see but that all the reporters commented on after he was gone, if you recall the comments made by the Utah media.
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Except for Ross Siler, who is probably still worshipping his Deron shrine.
 
vj_74 said:
If Deron was really faking it to cruise through or miss practices, then I am glad he's gone. He just doesnt have the maturity and smarts of a Stockton. It is not like as if Stockton and Malone did not have their disagreements with Sloan, but how they went about resolving it says a lot about who they were as players. If Deron was dumb enough to think that it was the system that was the problem and not the fact that we didnt have wings worth a darn or that his own play was mediocre because of a nagging wrist issue, then he is'nt even as smart as I thought he was. He needs to pull a Lebron and go to a team where there are already established go-to players because he does'nt quite have it in him to lead a team to the title. Atleast, as of now.
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And Stockton and Malone have how many rings? That is what Dwill wants and a lot of the rest of us.

I have heard that Fisher said he did not think it was that important to Sloan, but I never saw the original quote. Anyone have it?
 
zman1527 said:
And Stockton and Malone have how many rings? That is what Dwill wants and a lot of the rest of us.

I have heard that Fisher said he did not think it was that important to Sloan, but I never saw the original quote. Anyone have it?
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Idiot, Stockton and Malone understand that you win rings as a TEAM. They gave it all they got. Thats all you can do. If the team isnt good enough there cant be anything done about it. It is not the coach or system's fault. They dont force coaches out just because they might have some disgreements now and then.


As if Fisher's take is the golden standard. I have heard quotes from Sloan himself that championship meant a lot to him. There was even a recent one about him mentioning that to his late wife Bobbye.what do you say about that?
 
vj_74 said:
Idiot, Stockton and Malone understand that you win rings as a TEAM. They gave it all they got. Thats all you can do. If the team isnt good enough there cant be anything done about it. It is not the coach or system's fault. They dont force coaches out just because they might have some disgreements now and then.
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So, then coaches do not matter at all. So why do we even bother having one and why do you think Sloan was important? Pops and Phil and Red Auerbach and John Wooden and Bill Walsh all just got lucky time and again I suppose. And you are calling me an idiot?

Clearly, coaching and systems do work and do play a critical role. Denying that IS idiocy.

Sloan had the time and the talent to get it done and did not. I think Deron could see the team heading down that road and that was part of his frustration. He may have been all wrong in what he did and how he did it, but to me he was all about getting a ring and that was where his frustration came from.
 
fwiw I heard the same story from a friend with the media. too bad Sloan couldn't hold on just a little longer.
 
zman1527 said:
So, then coaches do not matter at all. So why do we even bother having one and why do you think Sloan was important? Pops and Phil and Red Auerbach and John Wooden and Bill Walsh all just got lucky time and again I suppose. And you are calling me an idiot?

Clearly, coaching and systems do work and do play a critical role. Denying that IS idiocy.

Sloan had the time and the talent to get it done and did not. I think Deron could see the team heading down that road and that was part of his frustration. He may have been all wrong in what he did and how he did it, but to me he was all about getting a ring and that was where his frustration came from.
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So you think the Jazz had better talent than the Bulls did? If that's the case, why didn't they win. The Jazz have had talent but not nearly enough to get a championship. The Jazz had their chance and what it came down to, the Bulls had the better team. To blame that on Sloan is pretty far fetched. I think blaming Jordan would be more appropriate.
 
chawx said:
This post is soooo full of WIN I cant even begin to break it down! You, sir, have earned my 2nd ever +rep! Congratulations to you and your family.
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I say Stickler takes a poo stab at erotic Jazz fan-fiction.

Deron grazes C.J. softly on his firm round sweat glazed...
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kwb said:
So you think the Jazz had better talent than the Bulls did? If that's the case, why didn't they win. The Jazz have had talent but not nearly enough to get a championship. The Jazz had their chance and what it came down to, the Bulls had the better team. To blame that on Sloan is pretty far fetched. I think blaming Jordan would be more appropriate.
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Yeah, that dang Jordan. And Hakeem. And Magic. And Isiah. And and and. Dude, ever single champion has to beat a great team. You are just making excuses.

And I will believe forever, that against those Bulls the Jazz win if Adam "Zero NBA Skills" Keefe is not Jerry Sloans personally selected starter.
 
If you guys would have just listened to me all along you would have know DWill was, is, and will always be a bitch. His negativity destroys teams. It sucks because he's hella good.
 
zman1527 said:
Yeah, that dang Jordan. And Hakeem. And Magic. And Isiah. And and and. Dude, ever single champion has to beat a great team. You are just making excuses.

And I will believe forever, that against those Bulls the Jazz win if Adam "Zero NBA Skills" Keefe is not Jerry Sloans personally selected starter.
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It's not an excuse. It's not hard to understand. The team with the better players will always win the series. Not sure why you can't understand that. And please use the word, "damn" and not "dang." Thank you.
 
Hahahahaha, there are SOOOOOOO many coach killer lovers still on this board. I don't care about your stupid rep. NEG ME AWAY LOSERS.

You aren't Jazz fans if you still like coach killer (unless you're a heartless, Sloan hater too).
 
Sloanfeld said:
Hahahahaha, there are SOOOOOOO many coach killer lovers still on this board. I don't care about your stupid rep. NEG ME AWAY LOSERS.

You aren't Jazz fans if you still like coach killer (unless you're a heartless, Sloan hater too).
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What if some one doesnt like you? Does That make them a bigger jazz fan? Where do I stand in line for that?
 
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