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Interesting breakdown video of Hayward

It is true that if his 3pnt shot were wet, then we'd all be singing his praises. If his game started from there (a la Curry), then he would get much easier action on his drives and pull-ups.
 
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It is true that if his 3pnt shot were wet, then we'd all be singing his praises. If his game started from there (a la Curry), then he would get much easier action on his drives and pull-ups.
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I find it very strange that his release is different from last year. I wonder what made him change it? Maybe it was just psychological? Maybe because Hornacek left? It would be interesting to see if he's done this in the past.
 
Doublea said:
I find it very strange that his release is different from last year. I wonder what made him change it? Maybe it was just psychological? Maybe because Hornacek left? It would be interesting to see if he's done this in the past.
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I can only speak from my personal experience as a shooter (and, actually, I had 2 lessons from Hornacek), but usually little flaws creep into your shot when you aren't focused and checking in on your mechanics daily. Horny taught me to make almost all of my mechanics automatic through repetition, but he also taught me to always keep 3 things consciously in my mind as I went up for a shot -- to think about those things INSTEAD of the stuff that I needed to trust. My coach would adjust what TO THINK ABOUT and what NOT TO THINK ABOUT. This made a huge difference. If the jazz had a good shooting coach, then Hayward wouldn't have picked up this kind of habit, IMO.
 
One more thing to mention...

In one of my lessons with Jeff, he taped my off-hand's thumb against the forefinger and palm of the hand, making it absolutely useless. This was a huge part of the way he wanted shooting to feel.... get that thumb out of the way.

So, again, do you think Hayward would be developing this habit with Jeff noticing things?

It's also a bit weird that Hayward isn't hardwired to know what he's doing, since I'd be shocked if Jeff hadn't worked on this with him repeatedly.

Following his rookie season, Hornacek made daily trips to the gym to practice his shooting, often with Stacy rebounding. He tried everything to correct his shot, including taping his left thumb to his hand. One day Stacy grew weary of chasing his missed shots and stepped back to observe. Why don't you point at the basket after you release the ball, she suggested. You can imagine what Hornacek thought. Great, now the wife's telling me how to shoot. But he tried it, and it worked. Hornacek says Stacy had the biggest influence on his shot. His shooting accuracy improved from 45.4 percent in his rookie season to 50.6 a year later. He has been a 50 percent shooter ever since.
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https://www.deseretnews.com/article/170007865/Jeff-Hornacek-Gone-but-never-forgotten.html?pg=all
 
I like the Hornacek comparison at the end. At 23 Hornacek was averaging 5.3/4.5/2.3
Not until age 26 did Hornacek become a marksmen from 3 point land, where he then shot 40%+ for most the remaining years of his career.
 
Hopefully we re-sign him to a reasonable deal, and he then figures out his shot, thus making him worth more than what we're paying :)
 
Mission Accomplished said:
ummmm no I've seen Horney this Gordon Hayward guy ain't Horney....not even close
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHqgHFcmAOc

Hornacek was a great 2 for us, but he was never what Hayward is all around. Don't let idolatry and pining for the past cloud your judgement.
 
Didn't watch the video, but since there's enough Hayward/Hornacek talk here, and elsewhere, I'll go ahead and give my two cents: there's only one way I'd specifically compare Hayward to Hornacek and it's not really in basketball. Rather, it's his value and role he plays for the team. If you were to look at Hornacek's numbers from his years with us they are certainly good. However, they significantly underestimate the effect he had on the game of you were familiar with watching any of those teams. His presence was much larger than those numbers. He was the perfect complementary piece to John and Karl. Being next to them, he looked really good (not that he didn't look really good elsewhere). I think this is where the specific Hayward comparison, in my mind, comes in to play. Not skillets, per sé, but I think when he's a Robin to our (fingers crossed) Jabari Batman, he's going to look very good. His numbers will be roughly the same (but better percentages and maybe a minor bump in scoring), but he'll look much more polished and it will become a defensive challenge for opposing teams.
 
infection said:
Didn't watch the video, but since there's enough Hayward/Hornacek talk here, and elsewhere, I'll go ahead and give my two cents: there's only one way I'd specifically compare Hayward to Hornacek and it's not really in basketball. Rather, it's his value and role he plays for the team. If you were to look at Hornacek's numbers from his years with us they are certainly good. However, they significantly underestimate the effect he had on the game of you were familiar with watching any of those teams. His presence was much larger than those numbers. He was the perfect complementary piece to John and Karl. Being next to them, he looked really good (not that he didn't look really good elsewhere). I think this is where the specific Hayward comparison, in my mind, comes in to play. Not skillets, per sé, but I think when he's a Robin to our (fingers crossed) Jabari Batman, he's going to look very good. His numbers will be roughly the same (but better percentages and maybe a minor bump in scoring), but he'll look much more polished and it will become a defensive challenge for opposing teams.
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Shoulda watched the video, because he was only compared in like the last 6 seconds. Interesting points though.
 
Anything over $9mil is too much. I keep saying it, but his direct comparison in many ways is Batum and I'd take him over Hayward 10/10 times.
 
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