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Is Apple Losing the Phone Wars?

Which phone system do you use?

  • Apple

    Votes: 6 26.1%

  • Android

    Votes: 15 65.2%

  • Windows

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 2 8.7%
  • Total voters
    23
Apple doesn't need to add more bells and whistles to their phones to keep their users. Their phones are clean, reliable and efficient. If you want a great phone right out of the box, then I'd recommend an Iphone just as much as a droid. If you're a little tech savvy and know how to enhance an Android, then you as well as I know, Android is far superior.

Dat Galaxy Note 5 doe... Release the release date already, my Korean friends.
 
VINYLONE said:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/apple-watch-may-not-be-ticking-with-customers-2015-07-07

Relevant article...
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It's a new product category. Smartphones were derided as a frivolous product and an inevitable failure in the early 2000s. By 2005, they were a niche product that has a market, but will never actually see mass adoption. When MS introduced tablets in 2001, industry analysts laughed at their supposed looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exit. Now they snicker at IoT and wearables. It doesn't matter, the Apple Watch may prove a success or a failure in the long run, but there is little doubt that computers will continue to miniaturize and diffuse into more and more areas. Apple is smart in jumping on the bandwagon, and if this product fails, they will try others.

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So Android sells 750,000 watches in 2014.

Apple sells 1.5 million watches in a week.

And this is proof Apple is failing?
 
I have a dumb phone. So I voted "other".


But pretty much I use apple for everything else. Except at work, where I have no choice.
 
VINYLONE said:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/apple-watch-may-not-be-ticking-with-customers-2015-07-07

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This is called an early adopter curve.

Edit: to add some detail, Apply is known for having a huge amount of early adopters among its customer-base. I work with one such guy here. He has purchased (and still has) every mobile active product they have ever released to market. And he received one of the first 500 Apple Watches. But after this large number of early adopters, there are a lot more people that will wait and see. That is why this curve is so steep. You saw a similar curve for Google Glasses, just not so steep. Same generally holds true for most tech really.
 
LogGrad98 said:
This is called an early adopter curve.

Edit: to add some detail, Apply is known for having a huge amount of early adopters among its customer-base. I work with one such guy here. He has purchased (and still has) every mobile active product they have ever released to market. And he received one of the first 500 Apple Watches. But after this large number of early adopters, there are a lot more people that will wait and see. That is why this curve is so steep. You saw a similar curve for Google Glasses, just not so steep. Same generally holds true for most tech really.
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Google Glass was different. It was never released as a consumer product. It was offered for a high price, in limited numbers, for a short period, in order to explore use cases and get a feel for how to develop the interface. It was then pulled from the market. Google is very secretive about it, but I actually know someone who works at Google X. She claims that a second, consumer oriented version of Glass, will be announced within a year.
 
Siro said:
It's a new product category. Smartphones were derided as a frivolous product and an inevitable failure in the early 2000s. By 2005, they were a niche product that has a market, but will never actually see mass adoption. When MS introduced tablets in 2001, industry analysts laughed at their supposed looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exit. Now they snicker at IoT and wearables. It doesn't matter, the Apple Watch may prove a success or a failure in the long run, but there is little doubt that computers will continue to miniaturize and diffuse into more and more areas. Apple is smart in jumping on the bandwagon, and if this product fails, they will try others.
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Nah, I get it. I also understand how the adoption of new technology works and how tentative things are in the beginning. That being said, I don't see the watch catching on, especially since it's useless without the phone to accompany it...unless I am not understaning it's functionality.

LogGrad98 said:
This is called an early adopter curve.

Edit: to add some detail, Apply is known for having a huge amount of early adopters among its customer-base. I work with one such guy here. He has purchased (and still has) every mobile active product they have ever released to market. And he received one of the first 500 Apple Watches. But after this large number of early adopters, there are a lot more people that will wait and see. That is why this curve is so steep. You saw a similar curve for Google Glasses, just not so steep. Same generally holds true for most tech really.
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Do you think the Apple watch will catch on? I'm not sure if they were or are available in Deutschland but do you see them in the wild? I don't.
 
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VINYLONE said:
Nah, I get it. I also understand how the adoption of new technology works and how tentative things are in the beginning. That being said, I don't see the watch catching on, especially since it's useless without the phone to accompany it...unless I am not understaning it's functionality.
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Again, this is the view that things are as they will always be. The watch CURRENTLY requires an accompanying phone. This is done to prolong battery life and expand functionality. The addition of a cellular antenna to divorce the phone from the watch is a trivial technical matter. Apple opted to target current iPhone owners and retain as much margin as possible. If they decide that separating the two made for better market, they will do exactly that.
 
Siro said:
Again, this is the view that things are as they will always be. The watch CURRENTLY requires an accompanying phone. This is done to prolong battery life and expand functionality. The addition of a cellular antenna to divorce the phone from the watch is a trivial technical matter. Apple opted to target current iPhone owners and retain as much margin as possible. If they decide that separating the two made for better market, they will do exactly that.
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Good post.

I guess only time will tell whether this watch becomes ubiquitous.
 
VINYLONE said:
Nah, I get it. I also understand how the adoption of new technology works and how tentative things are in the beginning. That being said, I don't see the watch catching on, especially since it's useless without the phone to accompany it...unless I am not understaning it's functionality.



Do you think the Apple watch will catch on? I'm not sure if they were or are available in Deutschland but do you see them in the wild? I don't.
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My colleague of course has one. I have seen a couple others. They are easy to spot because everyone who wears one talks about it non-stop. I was on a train staring off into space and some guy across from me said "I saw you noticed my watch..." Ugh. No I didn't. I noticed your fly was open and then I said NOTHING.
 
Yes the cult of personality is done setting trends without their chief trend setter. The next 'shiny thing' won't be coming from Apple.
 
My Samsung phone (before I got an iPhone 5) drove me nuts. My iPhone is reliable and fast, nice battery life, and the interface is nice and clean. Had it over a year. One day I'll upgrade to a 6, but see no reason to now. Even people I know who are still using their iPhone 4 say they can't justify upgrading when their 4 still works fine. After 6-8 months with any Samsung I had, I was tearing my hair out.

A few years ago I bought a used 2010 MacBook. Got real tired of my Windows laptop freezing and crashing on me. I grew up using Macs but married a PC guy, and with the lower cost we used Windows for the last 15 years and went through at least 5 of them. In the 3 years I've had it, my Mac hasn't crashed on me once. The software updates are easy. It still runs fast. It starts up MUCH faster than my husband's new Windows laptop he uses for work. He had been laid off about 18 months ago, and used the kids' (another used) Mac Mini at home looking for jobs. After about a week he was converted and hasn't looked back, except the fact that he has no choice where he currently works. I'd love to go get a MacBook Air. But again, this one is still ticking and ticking well, so I can't justify it. One day when I have the cash for a new one, I'll let my 13-yr-old daughter take over this thing and she'll use it in high school. Apple knows how to build stuff, IMO.
 
I hear a lot of people say that apple products have less problems than other brands. It is purely anecdotal and I think another great thing Apple has going for it. One reason I think this happens is people compare their apple phone to some **** free phone from samsung/nokia/whoever and think its the same. When you Compare a $600 apple phone to a $600 android phone this changes things, usually in the favor of the android since you pay a premium for the apple brand name. Same with computers. But these are usually the same people who dont understand how much phones actually cost because they "got it for free." Anecdotal my friend bought a mac book pro when I bought my hp computer. They both cost us around $1200. I still have mine and use it 7 years later. He has been through 3 mac books. The stats might have changed but last time I bought a computer research showed apple computers had a much higher rate of needing repairs and the repairs were more expensive.
 
Broncster said:
I hear a lot of people say that apple products have less problems than other brands. It is purely anecdotal and I think another great thing Apple has going for it. One reason I think this happens is people compare their apple phone to some **** free phone from samsung/nokia/whoever and think its the same. When you Compare a $600 apple phone to a $600 android phone this changes things, usually in the favor of the android since you pay a premium for the apple brand name. Same with computers. But these are usually the same people who dont understand how much phones actually cost because they "got it for free." Anecdotal my friend bought a mac book pro when I bought my hp computer. They both cost us around $1200. I still have mine and use it 7 years later. He has been through 3 mac books. The stats might have changed but last time I bought a computer research showed apple computers had a much higher rate of needing repairs and the repairs were more expensive.
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But you can take them to a genius and they'll fix it!

Oh wait... with a PC you can turn in to a genius in as little as a year without going to school; just trying to do little things that are above and beyond the norm.

Huh.
 
Broncster said:
I hear a lot of people say that apple products have less problems than other brands. It is purely anecdotal and I think another great thing Apple has going for it. One reason I think this happens is people compare their apple phone to some **** free phone from samsung/nokia/whoever and think its the same. When you Compare a $600 apple phone to a $600 android phone this changes things, usually in the favor of the android since you pay a premium for the apple brand name. Same with computers. But these are usually the same people who dont understand how much phones actually cost because they "got it for free." Anecdotal my friend bought a mac book pro when I bought my hp computer. They both cost us around $1200. I still have mine and use it 7 years later. He has been through 3 mac books. The stats might have changed but last time I bought a computer research showed apple computers had a much higher rate of needing repairs and the repairs were more expensive.
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Yeah, I hear this a lot. A friend says "I used to have this $50 smart phone Go phone thing we bought at Walmart, but we got rid of it cuz it sucked and instead got an iPhone 5 so I think Apple is way better than Android" and similar. Or trading on years old tech on newer tech and being amazed how much better the new different tech is. I have a friend who converted the other way around this way. He had an iPhone 3, then years later decided he needed an upgrade and tried out a Note 3 and was then a firm believer that Samsung and Android were way better than Apple. This kind of thing is pretty common considering how fast this kind of technology moves.

It is also true this is largely anecdotal. Stats on repair and return, last time I looked into it, were nearly identical for Apple and their main rivals, when taking equivalent versions into account (in other words when comparing a 2012 machine to a 2012 machine, and not a 2012 machine to a 2008 machine, which is what happens most often).
 
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