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Is Hayward playing like he's worried about his box score?

I really like the style Hayward is playing right now. Obviously he needs to up his 3pt%, but I like how he is looking for others on his drives. Obviously next year he will probably use less possessions, but I think he can get 15-5-5 again, but with better efficiency.

I'd take that, especially if our other weapons are firing away. Not everyone can average 20 pts. If Kanter, Burks and even Burke are in that range, with Hayward and Favors at 15/per, that's already 90 pts. Add in contribution from the bench and/or short-minute starters (depending on how Kanter and Burks are utilized) - that gets the team into the 103-107 pt. range which should be their goal (upper 1/3 of the league).
 
All in all I don't disagree with your post except this part. There are only 3 players in the NBA that are averaging 17-5-5. LeBron, Durant, and Westbrook (who has been injured and doesn't have the minutes played that the other 2 have). Gordon is next on the list with a point average of 16.3. Good for 4th in the entire league in this stat search.

Heck there are is only one other guy in the league averaging over 15-5-5 and thats MCW.

Sorry but the 16-5-5 that Gordon is averaging for this season is in the elite. The problem is his shooting percentage and turnovers make it less. When only 3 guys are ahead of you and 2 of them are Durant and LeBron you are in great company

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All in all I don't disagree with your post except this part. There are only 3 players in the NBA that are averaging 17-5-5. LeBron, Durant, and Westbrook (who has been injured and doesn't have the minutes played that the other 2 have). Gordon is next on the list with a point average of 16.3. Good for 4th in the entire league in this stat search.

Heck there are is only one other guy in the league averaging over 15-5-5 and thats MCW.

Sorry but the 16-5-5 that Gordon is averaging for this season is in the elite. The problem is his shooting percentage and turnovers make it less. When only 3 guys are ahead of you and 2 of them are Durant and LeBron you are in great company
Yes, if you put it that way, I can't argue that Hayward isn't in elite company. However, when doing the eyeball test...does he really have anything close to the same impact on the game that a Lebron, Westbrook or Durant have? I don't think it's even close...which is why I'm not really as impressed by his stats as much as others here are.

I think Hayward would be most valuable to the team if he were putting up a stat line something like: 14 ppg, 8 shot attempts a game, 6 free throw attempts/game, 48%FG, 38%3pt, 3 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 TO/gm. He's always been a pretty good FT shooter, he needs to get to the line more. He also should develop a post game to utilize his size advantage over almost all other shooting guards...that would also help up his FG%. Oh, and he needs to make about $8M/year max.
 
1. Gordo never takes last second heaves. Not that big a deal, but a sure sign he's putting his stats first.

2. Gordo's been passing the ball to players in worse position to score very late in the shot clock recently.

3. To compound the problem above, Gordo's been passing up open shots recently, putting the Jazz in a lot of low percentage late shot clock situations.

Dude's stat padding to the team's detriment. He's been doing it a lot more over the last couple weeks.

Agree completely. But I think there's even a deeper level to this which relates to Hayward handling the ball so much.

Hayward benefits because nobody bothers to overscout the Jazz, and frankly most teams don't deviate from a basic defensive scheme during the regular season. They defend the PnR, drives in the lane, 3 point shooters, the break, or switching, the same against any opponent -- they're trying to build continuity. As such, Hayward is defended like any other player, the Jazz like any other offense, and the only changes that get made always have to do with neutralizing a hot player in game, not the rare special attention paid to the likes of Lebron, Durant, or Harden before the game.

At some point, however, a team desperate to beat us will scout and gameplan from the jump (we might see this from playoff teams down the stretch jockeying for position). THAT team will overplay the passing lanes, defend Hayward one on one in the paint (not drop), and dare him to score (because all game tape shows he doesn't like to shoot in the lane.)

The great drive and kick players in the league like Parker are dangerous because you have no choice but to drop and overcompensate any time he gets too close to the basket. Parker, like most great players, are deadly from 10 feet in. Hayward is the opposite. He's awful from 10 feet in as the stats show. And if a team ever challenged him to score in the lane while manning up on the perimeter, he would be badly exposed (think Kobe Ronnie Brewer in the playoffs).

Long point short: Hayward's numbers are like Turner's numbers. High minutes, glossy stats, but nobody is really defending either of them, and it's a mirage.
 
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Yes, if you put it that way, I can't argue that Hayward isn't in elite company. However, when doing the eyeball test...does he really have anything close to the same impact on the game that a Lebron, Westbrook or Durant have? I don't think it's even close...which is why I'm not really as impressed by his stats as much as others here are.

I think Hayward would be most valuable to the team if he were putting up a stat line something like: 14 ppg, 8 shot attempts a game, 6 free throw attempts/game, 48%FG, 38%3pt, 3 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 TO/gm. He's always been a pretty good FT shooter, he needs to get to the line more. He also should develop a post game to utilize his size advantage over almost all other shooting guards...that would also help up his FG%. Oh, and he needs to make about $8M/year max.

I agree with two exceptions:

1) Hayward will never average 6 free throws. He's at 4.5 now @ 36 minutes while also being a primary ball handler. And the few guys who average 6 free throws are drivers which he isn't.

2) The Hayward "post game" is as mythical as the Hayward "floater" that has oft been fantasized about. I'm inclined to believe neither exists. Consequently, I think Hayward as a true 3rd option on a really good team averages 14/3/3 in 30ish minutes -- so long as his shot is falling.
 
He's decreased his shots per game by 3 over the last 2 months. He's almost entirely stopped leaking out on the break in order to collect defensive rebounds. When he drives, he never goes all the way to the basket, always passes, and 90 percent of the time passes out for long range jump shots. And yet he controls the ball more than 50% of the time on this team.

People will disagree, but in my opinion he's playing scared. He'll have the occasional hot shooting stretch, but he's reached the point where he knows he can't score with any regularity, and he's blatantly trying to inflate his other numbers to camouflage that fact. I like the kid, I sympathize with him, and the olympic/contract thing is obviously on his mind, but it couldn't be more clear that he's a complimentary player whose numbers will decrease on a good team.

I used to think I would match 10 million. Now I'm wondering if the number isn't 8, and he should be trade bait with Alec on the roster.

He seems more worried about his marriage to me
 
2) The Hayward "post game" is as mythical as the Hayward "floater" that has oft been fantasized about. I'm inclined to believe neither exists.
Hayward is a smart guy and has the physical tools to develop a "Post game" and "floater", the problem is, a strong work ethic and desire to improve are also "mythical" Gordon Hayward qualities. If his determination and competitiveness in the video game world carried over into his real life basketball exploits, Hayward would easily be an all-star by now.
 
a strong work ethic and desire to improve are also "mythical" Gordon Hayward qualities. If his determination and competitiveness in the video game world carried over into his real life basketball exploits, Hayward would easily be an all-star by now.

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Hayward is a smart guy and has the physical tools to develop a "Post game" and "floater", the problem is, a strong work ethic and desire to improve are also "mythical" Gordon Hayward qualities. If his determination and competitiveness in the video game world carried over into his real life basketball exploits, Hayward would easily be an all-star by now.

Lol. The guy who worked himself from a HS nobody and put Bulter on the map has no work ethic.

LOL. Confidence issues, yes, but I don't question his work ethic.
 
Hayward is just realizing he is AK47. If Hayward tries to be the main scorer the Jazz suck. Same thing happened with AK.
 
Lol. The guy who worked himself from a HS nobody and put Bulter on the map has no work ethic.
Since you disagree with my statement, please point out to me exactly what Hayward has done to expand or add a new skill/dimension to his game? Specific examples would be nice. What has Hayward shown at the PRO LEVEL that indicates he has a strong work ethic? I'd like to know, because I certainly don't see it. Clue me in...
 
Since you disagree with my statement, please point out to me exactly what Hayward has done to expand or add a new skill/dimension to his game? Specific examples would be nice. What has Hayward shown at the PRO LEVEL that indicates he has a strong work ethic? I'd like to know, because I certainly don't see it. Clue me in...

Yeah, Hayward is clearly just as good as he was his rookie year.
 
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This thread reminds me of the Iguodala talk around Philly a few years back. Iggy was the best player on a mediocre team, and because he was not as good a scorer as other team's top scorers, he got the brunt of the criticism for the team's woes, despite nice contributions. My view was that it was Billy King's problem for miscasting Iggy as a franchise player. Then (after Denver) see how much the Warriors valued him in a more appropriate complementary role (defense, complementary scorer, leadership, etc). BTW, imagine Hayward playing alongside Curry, Lee, Thompson & Bogut.

(analogy is not saying GH is as good as Iggy at his peak -- he's not -- just pointing out a few similarities in the situation)
 
Its sad to watch a player that has no confidence in his game. Hayward is afraid to shoot, afraid to drive, and afraid to ruin his chances of a big contract. I just can't see how the Jazz would even consider giving him a max contract.
 
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