Is Millsap worth $10m a year?

[vslice02]

Yep and Sap has already been saying he is a starter, wants his minutes, wants his money and is pretty much demanding the jazz either pay him or trade him.

Prove it. I double dare you.

I know isn't that rhetoric exhausting?
This isn't directed at Numb who I know gets it, but to anyone else who thinks Sap doesn't want to come off the bench...
Of course he thinks he deserves to start! (he's proven that already) And of course he's going to say it because you don't make it to the NBA as a 2nd-round draft pick out of Louisiana Tech unless you have alot of confidence in your ability!

If Utah's frontcourt development gets to the point where it's necessary Sap come off the bench (and we're not anywhere near that point yet because while Favors certainly could handle it, Kanter still needs to improve significantly before you pigeon-hole a starting spot for him) I am extremely confident Sap would be willing to do so if it was in the best interest of the team. Don't forget he willingly came off the bench the first 2 games last year, even though it became apparent that Favors wasn't quite ready for a starting role then.

Saying you don't want to pay Millsap an 8-figure salary is understandable, but saying he would demand a trade if he doesn't start is purely a personal opinion - and an incorrect one at that.

 

[NotDeadYet]

Yes, he's worth $10 mil a year. NO, if he expects to be "anointed" the starting PF. He needs to back off that 'tude and let the COACH decide within the framework of the team who starts what game.
As for his D, much to his credit he DID improve by using his hands way more to create turnovers. Now if he can do better at anticipating opponents moves, beating them to their spot and denying them position WITHOUT fouling... Too often he just fouls the guy, which he likely got from Jerry. He CAN play smarter than that...

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

David West is making $10M. True, he was once an all star, but he's also older and coming off an injury.

 

[SP_Eagle]

Jeez, pay the guy $10 Million, some might admit he has been underpaid these last 2 seasons..

 

[blackham9258]

Millsap will be coming off the bench this year. I say risk it and let him be a 6th man all year and then resign him when the rest of the league views him as a 6th man. He will be offered 6th man money which is MLE to $7M per, and we can resign him for $7M to $8M per and be considered as fair.

My frustration is that we didn't trade him to move up to get Harrison Barnes. Now I hope we trade him or Al for Iggy or Granger... preferably Iggy out of the two.

Under the new CBA you just can't offer a bench guy more than $7 or $8.

 

[MattMan]

My frustration is that we didn't trade him to move up to get Harrison Barnes. Now I hope we trade him or Al for Iggy or Granger... preferably Iggy out of the two.

We very likely could have could have attempted to move up. Sounded like Favors was what teams only wanted.

 

[Favors Flave]

I totally realise stats mean little to alot of people when they dont validate your side of things....
BUt, a small comparison of this last season between Sap (some say our BEST player) and Big Al (the reason we fail according to most)

This isnt cherry picking, these are stats for the whole season with Sap playing 3 more games and averaging 1 ONE minute less per game.
FG %....each at 49% -- FT% Sap 79% Al 77% -- Assists per game 2.3 to 2.2 (team player crushes the black hole /sarcasm) -- Rebounds per game 9.6 to 8.8 for AL -- steals and blocks per game are flipped with Sap getting 1 more steal per and Al getting 1 more block per -- Points per game 19.2 to 16.6 for Al -- Sap also averages one foul more per -- AND one more turnover per game
For the almighty PER ranking, Al was 22.88 for 12th in the NBA...Sap was 21.85 for 19th in NBA

I voted No but honestly would love to keep Sap on the team, if the Jazz pay him 10 mil per, fine. One of them DOES have to go, but I still dont get the love for the little engine that could, based on stats...I think the way Al looks disinterested bugs people. Yes, Im sure he probably has a few more touches, but it isnt like he is shooting like crap and wasting the touches. The blackhole moniker is a fake, and perpetuated by haters, that is all. Same minutes, same assists, same fg%, with Al getting couple more boards and points..

I don't really like Big Al but I'm glad you are the only one that agrees with me on all your points

 

[Weezur]

Can we pay Sap with Trident Layers gum?

 

[NUMBERICA]

Dude i know your looking for a 7 page argument and I am not going to do it. Sorry . You can look and view things your way but from everything i have read and heard on the radio it doesn't take a genius to figure it out. Not sure how many times he has came out and said he is a starter and a starting pf. GO LOOK UP THE INTERVIEWS from his own ....ing mouth.

Yes, the guy that keeps most of his posts to under three sentences is looking for a seven-page argument with one of the board's resident jackasses.

You bear the burden of proof on this and I don't expect you to understand why and I'm not sure you even know what "burden of proof" means without using google. Your response reads "I'm talking out of my *** and that's what I'm proving to you." Which is exactly what I expected.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I know isn't that rhetoric exhausting?
This isn't directed at Numb who I know gets it, but to anyone else who thinks Sap doesn't want to come off the bench...
Of course he thinks he deserves to start! (he's proven that already) And of course he's going to say it because you don't make it to the NBA as a 2nd-round draft pick out of Louisiana Tech unless you have alot of confidence in your ability!

If Utah's frontcourt development gets to the point where it's necessary Sap come off the bench (and we're not anywhere near that point yet because while Favors certainly could handle it, Kanter still needs to improve significantly before you pigeon-hole a starting spot for him) I am extremely confident Sap would be willing to do so if it was in the best interest of the team. Don't forget he willingly came off the bench the first 2 games last year, even though it became apparent that Favors wasn't quite ready for a starting role then.

Saying you don't want to pay Millsap an 8-figure salary is understandable, but saying he would demand a trade if he doesn't start is purely a personal opinion - and an incorrect one at that.

We all know he doesn't want to come off the bench. He has said he is a starter. I also know he will come off the bench if is asked too, he just won't be 100% happy with it.

 

[InGameStrategy]

Yes, he's worth $10 mil a year. NO, if he expects to be "anointed" the starting PF. He needs to back off that 'tude and let the COACH decide within the framework of the team who starts what game.

Where are these bona fide sources that Millsap is "expecting" to be "anointed" starter?

(Every player wants to be a starter and might be unhappy if he isn't--if he's a borderline starter or better.)

As for his D, much to his credit he DID improve by using his hands way more to create turnovers. Now if he can do better at anticipating opponents moves, beating them to their spot and denying them position WITHOUT fouling... Too often he just fouls the guy, which he likely got from Jerry. He CAN play smarter than that...

Millsap has averaged a reasonable ~3.5 PFs/game; if anything, he sags off at times to moderate the number of his fouls.

Kind of like Boozer did (subconciously).

 

[JazzyD]

Milsap is worth $10 million. I can't believe the poll is only 2:1 in favor. Look at this list:

Amare Stoudemire $18 million
Elton Brand $17 million
Antwan Jamison $15 million
Carlos Boozer $13.5 million
David Lee $11.6 million
Gerald Wallace $10.5 million
David West $10 million

Milsaps contract at $10 million favors any of those players.

 

[Jeffrey32]

Extending Millsap should be a priority this summer. Like Garnett to Boston, Millsap is the heart of the team. I'm not comparing him as a player to Garnett, but comparing his role within where the team is. Millsap should be in the ballpark for a 4 year/ $40 million contract. He is in the realm of Wallace and West, but is healthier, younger, and continues to improve, whereas Wallace is on the downhill side of a strong career.

 

[JazzyD]

Extending Millsap should be a priority this summer. Like Garnett to Boston, Millsap is the heart of the team. I'm not comparing him as a player to Garnett, but comparing his role within where the team is. Millsap should be in the ballpark for a 4 year/ $40 million contract. He is in the realm of Wallace and West, but is healthier, younger, and continues to improve, whereas Wallace is on the downhill side of a strong career.

Plain and simple Milsap is better than both those players.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I hate how 1 dumbass team can overpay a player then that becomes the pay-rate scale for all players at that position.

 

[bigmike]

Milsap is worth $10 million. I can't believe the poll is only 2:1 in favor. Look at this list:

Amare Stoudemire $18 million
Elton Brand $17 million
Antwan Jamison $15 million
Carlos Boozer $13.5 million
David Lee $11.6 million
Gerald Wallace $10.5 million
David West $10 million

Milsaps contract at $10 million favors any of those players.

Not sure that's the most representative sample, given that a lot of those guys are overpaid.

That being said, Millsap is worth $10M on the condition that accepts the 6th man role behind Favors and Kanter (assuming Kanter continues to improve). He'd still get his 30minutes a night and would be a valuable presence on both ends of the floor and in the locker room.

 

[theNBAnerd]

1) millsap should be expecting to be a starter, because he's our best effing player.

2) kanter averaged 13 minutes per game last season. THIRTEEN. i don't know what magical freaking voodoo everybody thinks they do at P3, but they don't turn 13-mpg backups into starting-caliber centers overnight (and if that's the expectation, the jazz should ask for their money back on cj miles, ronnie brewer, ronnie price, etc.). kanter's thing is going to be a process, like NAOS said.

3) favors-millsap is a potent big-man combination, espeically with a quality young defensive center moving up into the 3rd big role. favors-kanter is a joke lineup with which we would struggle to win 35 games. jefferson-favors or jefferson-millsap will keep the jazz mired in the myth of being decent for another however-long.

so....

extend the hell out of millsap. if his starting point for negotiations is 4/48M or 5/58M, then it'll come down over the course of negotiations.

 

[NAOS]

^ can we close the thread now?

 

[carolinajazz]

I don't know why you wouldn't. He's done nothing but get better EVERY single year for six years now, and he's been producing at greater than $10 million production for two years straight now.

So many people over-think stuff like this. You want good players, and good players cost money. If Millsap is seeking $10 a year, he's low-balling himself (in the sense that the book on negotiation says to always ask for more than you think you'll get) and all of the absurd and baseless conjecture that Millsap is becoming somehow selfish can go right out the window.

....we all like Sap, but maybe not at 10 mill a year. You have to ask yourself, "Will sap put us over the top? Will we win more games with him....or the same amount without him?" Yes, he's gotten better, but how much better will he get? If we can unload Jefferson, then maybe 10 mill doesn't look so bad. We made the playoffs with this crew last year, but got whacked in the first round badly. Milsap has taken us to the second round before, right? I like him, but maybe not for 10 mill.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Milsap is worth $10 million. I can't believe the poll is only 2:1 in favor. Look at this list:

Amare Stoudemire $18 million
Elton Brand $17 million
Antwan Jamison $15 million
Carlos Boozer $13.5 million
David Lee $11.6 million
Gerald Wallace $10.5 million
David West $10 million

Milsaps contract at $10 million favors any of those players.

Millsap is almost on par with David West as a player. Probably he's also on par with Luis Scola, who is making $8.5M with 4 years remaining. I think Millsap would take a deal that averages $9M over 3 - 4 years. He needs to keep expanding his game out on the floor though.