Joe Bagadonuts
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It's almost like we've been watching different teams. Regardless, I'd rather see them the way I do than the way you do.
Is Mitchell human?
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Jack Strop
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Fair enough. Maybe the bitter helps us appreciate the sweet even more. And maybe without the losing, Gail Miller would have stood by Ty Corbin.
I dont underestimate the franchise altering coaching change. Ty got a raw deal, but Quin is the right man for the job. And if Johnny Bryant is behind the Jazz' player development, give him whatever he wants to stay.
There is clearly a lot of camaraderie and respect between Quin, Ricky, Donovan, Rudy, etc. Band of bro's. This is definitely the best season I can remember, even surpassing last year or the playoff years of Deron, AK. Boozer and Memo.
Ty made it a bad deal.
No one was demanding wins from Ty. But Ty was auditionioning for his next HC job after Utah and said GFYS to what the the Utah FO wanted out of him and the team. They wanted a few things that they never gave up on... A defensive identity and player development. Ty was not committed to those things, he wanted to pad his W/L record, so yeah, in that regard he had a raw deal because his efforts to have a positive W/L record was at odds with the team the FO was building.
He ignored our young undeveloped talent in favor of more reliable, yet not very good, vets. He wasn't willing to lose first and build off that by establishing a defense-first culture and internal player improvement and raw talent development.
Look at what Quin has done. He bought into the vision the FO laid out for Ty. He made it work. "You can't skip steps." Does that ring a bell?
Quin developed the league's #1 defensive identity a season and a half before the Jazz actually had the league's best defense.
Quin developed our young talent and improved vets who came here before we had a playoff season.
By setting the right foundation Quin is building a team that could possibly contend for a Championship at some point.
Ty was never going to do anything different than what we saw, which was to copy/paste coaching strategies from 15 years ago and lean on mediocre vets who had no long-term commitment to the Utah jazz.
Ty was the raw deal the Utah Jazz got, not the other way around.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Yeah, we clearly have different perspectives. I don't even understand what you're saying about Ty getting a raw deal. Can you explain? From my perspective the Jazz gave him the great opportunity of a head coaching gig... and then he failed, miserably. They stuck by him for longer than any other team would have. Listening to Ty speak practically put me into a coma. He never added insight beyond what was obvious to a casual fan. I got the impression that his understanding of the game was pretty basic. I can't imagine how it must have felt for the players.
