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Is our bench going to be that bad?

doubledribble said:
Well, I don't know where did you put Biedrins, but that guy has at least one pretty good skill - rebounding. Last season he was a better per 36 rebounder than Favors and Kanter. And he is also mobile and plays some decent defense. There is some non-negligible chance that the change of the scenery can pick up his spirit and make him a decent bench player. Rush/Burks are both solid choices as bench players, and Williams could even be a borderline starter. The only questionmarks are Lucas, Evans and Gobert, but they do have athleticism and size going for them.
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per36 numbers dont hold weight when you average 9 minutes per game.
 
I'm scratching my head wondering why everyone thinks we have two teams: starters and bench. We don't this year and Corbin won't play them that way. If Corbin's normal rotation doesn't keep at least two starters on the floor at all times, then he should be fired for incompetence. Barring injury or foul trouble, an 8-player rotation is all we need. The challenge for Corbin is determining the optimum rotation mix -- this will show if he has any talent as a coach.
 
Ellipse said:
I'm scratching my head wondering why everyone thinks we have two teams: starters and bench. We don't this year and Corbin won't play them that way. If Corbin's normal rotation doesn't keep at least two starters on the floor at all times, then he should be fired for incompetence. Barring injury or foul trouble, an 8-player rotation is all we need. The challenge for Corbin is determining the optimum rotation mix -- this will show if he has any talent as a coach.
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That's what I have been thinking as well. Hayward is SG-SF. Burks is SG-PG. Kanter and Favors are PF-C. We have a very interchangeable team. We should be looking to exploit match-ups more than any other team.
 
Weezur said:
Our bench depends on Burks IMO.
I think out starting 5 are: Burke/Hayward/Rush/Favors/Kanter
Bench: Lucas/Burks/Evans or Marvin/Bidrens/Gobert

So the bench really depends on Burks and Gobert. If those two pan out, it could be an okay bench. The 3 position will hurt until Marvin comes back.
Also, I think that this is why Lindsey brought Lucas. Tinsley can't score and Lucas can bring that to the bench.
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I think this is exactly the case. Burks will be the 6th man scoring spark this year. It was inferred by the media that the Jazz staff and Burks already had that conversation and that Burks is excited about the role and challenge. Burks, Williams are solid 6th and 7th options. The biggest question in my mind is the extra "bigs", and that comes down to a rookie (rookies traditionally are foul prone, so that could limit minutes), and Biedrins who is likely the biggest contract disappointment in the history of the NBA. The guy had promise and then just flat out disappeared. The backup big seems to be our glaring weakness (on paper).
 
Hekate said:
That's what I have been thinking as well. Hayward is SG-SF. Burks is SG-PG. Kanter and Favors are PF-C. We have a very interchangeable team. We should be looking to exploit match-ups more than any other team.
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Yes and I think we will always have Kanter or Favors on the floor unless they get in foul trouble. I suspect that the sub pattern will team Kanter/Gobert and Favors/Biedrins with Evans the odd man out again. I also expect Burks or Hayward to be on the floor at all times.
 
I reckon our record will significantly depend on Burks. If he is able to average 15+pts coming off the bench then our bench is average or slightly above average. If not then we will have below average bench. We most definitely won't have one of the worst benches in the NBA. I would say we will be floating between 23rd and 14th best production bench depending on Burks' performance.
 
ellipse said:
i'm scratching my head wondering why everyone thinks we have two teams: Starters and bench. We don't this year and corbin won't play them that way. If corbin's normal rotation doesn't keep at least two starters on the floor at all times, then he should be fired for incompetence. Barring injury or foul trouble, an 8-player rotation is all we need. The challenge for corbin is determining the optimum rotation mix -- this will show if he has any talent as a coach.
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Ellipse said:
I'm scratching my head wondering why everyone thinks we have two teams: starters and bench. We don't this year and Corbin won't play them that way. If Corbin's normal rotation doesn't keep at least two starters on the floor at all times, then he should be fired for incompetence. Barring injury or foul trouble, an 8-player rotation is all we need. The challenge for Corbin is determining the optimum rotation mix -- this will show if he has any talent as a coach.
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Sloan generally had 5 subs in at once and Corbin did last season. I always scratched my head because I thought you should always have a couple of starters in the game at any given point. But until he proves otherwise, I'll be expecting that early in the 2nd and 4th quarters we'll see 5 subs in the game at the same time. Burks will head up the second unit, Evans will get some time at PF; Corbin said as much by praising Jeremy's SL games. Have to assume Gobert will also get PT.

Burke (30); Lucas III (18); McNeal (minutes if injuries/foul trouble)
Rush (20); Burks (28)
Hayward (35); Jefferson (13)...until Williams returns
Favors (33); Evans (15)
Kanter (33); Gobert or Beidrins (15)

Ten players will get PT in each game.
 
Core4 said:
Sloan generally had 5 subs in at once and Corbin did last season. I always scratched my head because I thought you should always have a couple of starters in the game at any given point. But until he proves otherwise, I'll be expecting that early in the 2nd and 4th quarters we'll see 5 subs in the game at the same time. Burks will head up the second unit, Evans will get some time at PF; Corbin said as much by praising Jeremy's SL games. Have to assume Gobert will also get PT.

Burke (30); Lucas III (18); McNeal (minutes if injuries/foul trouble)
Rush (20); Burks (28)
Hayward (35); Jefferson (13)...until Williams returns
Favors (33); Evans (15)
Kanter (33); Gobert or Beidrins (15)

Ten players will get PT in each game.
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There is no reason to play 10 players unless the 9th and 10th players have talent that the coach wants to develop or there is little difference between the starting 5 and the next 5 off the bench (see last year's team). We have no talent at the 9th and 10th position that deserves playing time and everyone agrees that there is a huge drop off in talent after the first 5 or 6 players on this year's team. So Corbin would be a fool to use a 10-player rotation.

Sloan use to pull Stockton out of the game at the 6:00 minute mark in the 1st because he wanted Stock to play the majority of the 2nd quarter while other starters were getting a rest.
 
Ellipse said:
Sloan use to pull Stockton out of the game at the 6:00 minute mark in the 1st because he wanted Stock to play the majority of the 2nd quarter while other starters were getting a rest.
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Only at the end of his career. And the real reason, IIRC, was he wanted to have him get the extra rest that comes at the quarter break. I agree MOST coaches only go with a primarily 8-man rotation. I just don't see Corbin doing that. He'll have a loyalty to the veterans and give minutes to Jefferson, Biedrins and Rush. Add in a backup PG. And factor in the already stated kudos to Evans for expanding his game to include jump shots.
 
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