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https://www.cnn.com/2014/09/26/us/oklahoma-beheading/

A muslim man recently fired just beheaded a woman at his work place in Oklahoma.

Now as expected there are those on the right yelling that it's all about his Islamic faith. That Islam drove him to this despite not knowing all the facts.

How is that any different than those on the left that yell it's all about racism every single time a white person kills a black person before they have all the facts?

Are both sides blind to their own bigotry and hate?

/Cue the 'worst thread ever" posts.
 
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Stoked said:
https://www.cnn.com/2014/09/26/us/oklahoma-beheading/

A muslim man recently fired just beheaded a woman at his work place in Oklahoma.

Now as expected there are those on the right yelling that it's all about his Islamic faith. That Islam drove him to this despite not knowing all the facts.

How is that any different than those on the left that yell it's all about racism every single time a white person kills a black person before they have all the facts?

Are both sides blind to their own bigotry and hate?

/Cue the 'wort thread ever" posts.
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You are exactly correct, Stoked. Until more facts are known it is irresponsible of anyone to blame this situation on his faith, just as it is irresponsible to jump to the conclusion that a murder is race related simply because the parties involved have different colored skin. One conclusion that I think we can jump to is that this dude is totally whacked!
 
Sounds like your typical disgruntled fired employee to me:

After "he was terminated, he drove to the front of the business, running into a vehicle, exited his vehicle, entered the business, where he encountered the first victim, Colleen Hufford, 54, and began assaulting her with a knife. He did kill Colleen and he did sever her head."
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Well, maybe not so typical on how fast he reacted like that. Fired, then bam, he's killing. It seems like they usually go home, brood, pick up some weapons and then go back and cause problems, maybe even days later.

I'm sure the choice of beheading could have been influenced by all the ISIS beheading videos floating the news cycle these days. Somebody in jolly old London was beheaded a couple weeks ago too:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-29068391


I assume beheadings are rare here and over there, but I couldn't find any #'s. So a couple in 3 weeks seems strange.
 
Stoked said:
https://www.cnn.com/2014/09/26/us/oklahoma-beheading/

A muslim man recently fired just beheaded a woman at his work place in Oklahoma.

Now as expected there are those on the right yelling that it's all about his Islamic faith. That Islam drove him to this despite not knowing all the facts.

How is that any different than those on the left that yell it's all about racism every single time a white person kills a black person before they have all the facts?

Are both sides blind to their own bigotry and hate?

/Cue the 'worst thread ever" posts.
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it's different because the trend of discrimination against blacks is statistically more significant than the trend of muslim men beheading their wives (particularly in America). Hence, the call of attention to a cop potentially racially profiling black perpetrators-- while obviously premature at times-- is more justifiable then labelling a clearly insane individual who beheaded his wife as 'the typical islamist'.

Apples and oranges, like all things in the world. I do agree with one of your points-- in that its annoying when people pull 'the race card' whenever there is news of cops being violent against black American citizens before the facts start flowing in.

However, to me it is way more annoying that many of those aligned on the right-wing refuse to acknowledge that white privilege is a thing, or that there is no race problem in contemporary American society.
 
I'll give you my first, half drunk, intuition on this so take it as hmmmmmbrrrrrgggghmmmmphhhhh:

dalamon said:
it's different because the trend of discrimination against blacks is statistically more significant than the trend of muslim men beheading their wives (particularly in America). Hence, the call of attention to a cop potentially racially profiling black perpetrators-- while obviously premature at times-- is more justifiable then labelling a clearly insane individual who beheaded his wife as 'the typical islamist'.
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I don't know that it's more significant even if statistically true. There is a solid reason for police profiling in large US cities, and it has statistically reduced crime rates. I don't recall the studies, but they are out there as well as the back-and-forth that always follows. Minority crime in this country is a problem is certain areas, and they address it. Ask a New Yorker why.


dalamon said:
Apples and oranges
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Very much. However, I think the heinous beheading is most likely a product of his Islamic roots. That doesn't mean anything to me. Dude was on overkill regardless, and did whatever his twisted thoughts told him to do. The beheading was part of that and it has nothing to do with religion but what a psycho was molded as. It was essentially a byproduct of his acts akin to Cowboy Krazie making a victim kneel before him before he shot him in the forehead with his six shooter.


dalamon said:
However, to me it is way more annoying that many of those aligned on the right-wing refuse to acknowledge that white privilege is a thing, or that there is no race problem in contemporary American society.
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Try living in a "they need ta learn are language" social circle and society that are mainly ancestors of Europeans whose first generation didn't learn ta language either. It's hard listening to it, but I realize the Irish and the Italians and the whatever all came here under the same discrimination and still thrived. People are good, people want to be better, and we will jump the obstacles that society places in front of us. Sure, I'd love a whole lot more compassion and dedication from the tough love conservatives to do what they claim to believe in, but in the end humanity will win out regardless.
 
Turkish Nightmare said:
I went to the internet to post something like "see, beheadings happen all the time, it just only gets reported when a Muslim happens."

On wikipedia the last beheadings that occured that wasn't accidental was in 2009 by another Muslim :(

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_were_beheaded#United_States
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Interesting that they include car crashes and the like on that list. And btw, that list isn't exhaustive; from the top of the page:

The following is a list of notable people who were beheaded, arranged alphabetically by country or region and with date of decapitation.
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They don't even list any of the drug cartel beheadings for Mexico. I'm surprised we haven't had more Mexican drug cartel beheading spillover into the US yet. Seems like they chop off a lot of heads.
 
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franklin said:
I'll give you my first, half drunk, intuition on this so take it as hmmmmmbrrrrrgggghmmmmphhhhh:



I don't know that it's more significant even if statistically true. There is a solid reason for police profiling in large US cities, and it has statistically reduced crime rates. I don't recall the studies, but they are out there as well as the back-and-forth that always follows. Minority crime in this country is a problem is certain areas, and they address it. Ask a New Yorker why.




Very much. However, I think the heinous beheading is most likely a product of his Islamic roots. That doesn't mean anything to me. Dude was on overkill regardless, and did whatever his twisted thoughts told him to do. The beheading was part of that and it has nothing to do with religion but what a psycho was molded as. It was essentially a byproduct of his acts akin to Cowboy Krazie making a victim kneel before him before he shot him in the forehead with his six shooter.




Try living in a "they need ta learn are language" social circle and society that are mainly ancestors of Europeans whose first generation didn't learn ta language either. It's hard listening to it, but I realize the Irish and the Italians and the whatever all came here under the same discrimination and still thrived. People are good, people want to be better, and we will jump the obstacles that society places in front of us. Sure, I'd love a whole lot more compassion and dedication from the tough love conservatives to do what they claim to believe in, but in the end humanity will win out regardless.
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It was easier to thrive when resources were plentiful and populations weren't as dense-- or when the manufacturing sector wasn't off shored to areas who can do labour for cheaper. Not to mention the fact that when Caucasian European-immigrants adopt American culture and language, they become "white".


When visible minorities adopt similar things, they still don't become white. I'm as optimistic of the human race as you'll find, but in this case id really be against advocating a hands-off, "it'll figure itself out" approach.
 
And I understand that there is an argument for profiling. I get this. I am stopped airports EVERY single time I travel via planet, and I'm not really irritated by it.

But, while profiling in and of itself can be good in some applications-- I think we forget what the social impact of profiling has on minority groups. Everything from health issues to job security. Profiling doesn't simply stop within the confines of police work. It permeates every social fabric, and it's a big reason as to why we can't really move together past racism.
 
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