Is there a significant amount of discrimination towards blacks in US police departments?
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DutchJazzer
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from oprah and Al sharpton
Jaymz
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I think that most Racism in the force has to do with the individuals and how they were raised. Look at the Clippers owner, over time there will be 0 tollerance anywhere for racism, probably because we are all going to interbreed in the future anyway. We are all humans, we all could have been born in some one elses situation, do what you can do with the cards you were delt. Be sympathetic to others, and understand their situations, it will make you a much wiser individual.
Jaymz
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As far as preception of racism, I know my mother got hers for the **** because her grandpa was in the war. When you're at war a lot of hate is generated toward a certain culture or race. You can't get peace with war. You get peace with peace. If you choose to destroy a civilization based on your beliefs you'll just cause the cycle to start over again.
♪alt13
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Significant enough that some(yet undefined) measures should be taken to curb it.
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What about obama?
What can be done is very complicated and has many different parts where all groups need to step the hell up, hard.
Black community has to dramatically push education. They need to stop blaming whites for all their problems.
Police and other public services entities need to step up inclusion/sensitivity training. Make the police forces more representative of their communities.
Whites need to focus on empathy and more direct first person connection to the other side of the coin. They need a better point of reference to understand the justifiable anger. They need to socially/economically bannish groups like the KKK.
Education is a horrible failure. No reason America should not be a leader (not the leader) in every field. Math, science, history, more bilinguals, physics, medicine...need to focus on the poorest performing schools (Many minority dominated inner city schools. Such as requiring a second language for all students from K-12. Changing Social Studies to a actual study of different societies and their culture, music, foods..., more group projects that push the use of imagination and creativity...
Hispanics need to focus on pushing English proficiency and combating the pull of gangs on their young.
The music industry needs to still glorifying the degradation of women, being gangster, poor fashion choices that get you distrusted/objectified by society, aggression towards cops...
Judicial over haul and review to find solutions for equal sentencing across the board. Black v white, rich v poor, man v woman for all crimes. Such as the legalization of marijuana.
Schools and church's need to make major strides in diversity. Having teams/groups/congregations full of all races. Expose people on a daily personal and intimate level to those of different religious beliefs, racial customs, political leanings...America is slowly but surely trending to ward a very clannish society. This MUST be reversed.
Just some initial thoughts.
Black community has to dramatically push education. They need to stop blaming whites for all their problems.
Police and other public services entities need to step up inclusion/sensitivity training. Make the police forces more representative of their communities.
Whites need to focus on empathy and more direct first person connection to the other side of the coin. They need a better point of reference to understand the justifiable anger. They need to socially/economically bannish groups like the KKK.
Education is a horrible failure. No reason America should not be a leader (not the leader) in every field. Math, science, history, more bilinguals, physics, medicine...need to focus on the poorest performing schools (Many minority dominated inner city schools. Such as requiring a second language for all students from K-12. Changing Social Studies to a actual study of different societies and their culture, music, foods..., more group projects that push the use of imagination and creativity...
Hispanics need to focus on pushing English proficiency and combating the pull of gangs on their young.
The music industry needs to still glorifying the degradation of women, being gangster, poor fashion choices that get you distrusted/objectified by society, aggression towards cops...
Judicial over haul and review to find solutions for equal sentencing across the board. Black v white, rich v poor, man v woman for all crimes. Such as the legalization of marijuana.
Schools and church's need to make major strides in diversity. Having teams/groups/congregations full of all races. Expose people on a daily personal and intimate level to those of different religious beliefs, racial customs, political leanings...America is slowly but surely trending to ward a very clannish society. This MUST be reversed.
Just some initial thoughts.
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DutchJazzer
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but seriously racism is overplayed.
men is more conerned with what dnald sterling said, or what black criminal got shot by a white officer.
then they are with things like the constituition and freedom.
i think everybody should be free to be a racist as long as he does not actively hurt people with it
DutchJazzer
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cant blame this one on obama, he is half white sorry
wrong half.. obvi.
PearlWatson
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Good idea there genius.
The Thriller
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There's a lot to like here.
But I feel a need to help expound upon education.
#1 the legislature really ties our hands with what and how we teach. They are the ones who really determine the curriculum, they create the tests, and they are the ones who have created the system that will soon determine pay raises (merit pay starting in 2016).
I could teach my kids group projects about food and culture from Africa or South America. This would teach the students how to do research and maybe actually enjoy their educational experience.
Or
I could have the kids memorize what will most likely be on the test that will determine my pay raise (and federal money to my starved school district).
It's far easier and more efficient to push through my curriculum (set up by the legislature) through direct (lecture) instruction rather than blowing a week or two having kids do research and create some sort of presentation.
#2 I know of a lot of teachers that would love to attend conferences or take classes to refine their skills and gain new ideas. Most often, these courses or conferences are expensive and aren't paid for by the district. For people trying to raise a family on $30k per year? That's a tremendous sacrifice that most just cannot make.
#3 Lastly, we as a society don't give a damn about education. We really don't. I'm not sure why, but something happened post WWII that changed the way we felt about education. We feel like we can dominate the world with our bombs and technology while ignoring all the education that created that technology.
If we really valued educators, we'd pay them a hell of a lot more. Should they be rich, like doctors or pro athletes? No, but they shouldn't have to work 2-3 jobs to make ends meet. It should be an attractive profession.
We should have smaller class sizes and have some sort of enforcement to help hold parents/students accountable. Smaller class sizes would help teachers give students the individual attention they currently lack.
Education can be fixed in this country. We just need to decide to do it.
Jose_Ortiz_fan
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I haven't chimed in on this thread yet, because I want my points to be clear and helpful. I'm not sure if now is the best time for my crack at it, but here goes.
First, thanks to those who offered their perspectives; it takes at least a modicum of balls to comment on this topic (and seemingly all others that pertain to racial "relations" in the United States). It gives me great joy to see that a dialogue is possible, at least online with people we seem to think we feel comfortable having these conversations with us.
Moving ahead, my initial reaction to the thread included a thought along these lines: "Why not also include a demographic poll to complement the OP poll?" Maybe it's the social researcher in me, but, considering the topic in discussion, I think it would be a good idea to get a sense of who's posting on the topic, with specific interest in our racial and ethnic makeup. I can take a stab at the numbers offhand, but I bet you all can, too. So I'll skip that exercise for the sake of parsimony with my words (with which I am presently doing a ****ty job, iirc).
There were some themes that I found common among many of the posts here. It's subtle, hidden, and unwittingly insidious when it bites you on the ***. This theme pervades much of what I retrospectively interpreted from my memories of growing up in a racially homogenous environment. It's the theme of power.
In reference to "power", I certainly mean to say the privilege that pertains to belonging to the phenotypical-majority groups in the United States (i.e., White, Christian, English-speaking, and middle-class). Power is so potent in contemporary America, that those who have it often don't know they have it. Power, much like "money," gives someone options that the person considers to be earned or deserved. Except, unlike money, the kind of power to which I refer can never be shared or donated to a good cause; it will only be passed on to progeny in the person's unconscious heredity.
However, just like with money, it is possible to change how power -- the social capital -- can be exchanged in the United States. I know it's starting to sound contrived, but I really like this metaphor. So please bear with me.
As it currently stands in the US, there are different exchange rates among the racial and ethnic groups that represent us as a nation. If you belong to the American all-star group I referred to earlier,
If you're a white dude like me (and qh2b1, imho), understanding your privilege has been conceptualized to occur by phases of development. I'll spare you the preachy nonsense, but what I'm saying is that learning about privilege is ****ed up because it completely contradicts what the American narrative is all about: equality. I'd love to continue this dialogue. I'm pretty high atm.
Best,
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...'Merica
First, thanks to those who offered their perspectives; it takes at least a modicum of balls to comment on this topic (and seemingly all others that pertain to racial "relations" in the United States). It gives me great joy to see that a dialogue is possible, at least online with people we seem to think we feel comfortable having these conversations with us.
Moving ahead, my initial reaction to the thread included a thought along these lines: "Why not also include a demographic poll to complement the OP poll?" Maybe it's the social researcher in me, but, considering the topic in discussion, I think it would be a good idea to get a sense of who's posting on the topic, with specific interest in our racial and ethnic makeup. I can take a stab at the numbers offhand, but I bet you all can, too. So I'll skip that exercise for the sake of parsimony with my words (with which I am presently doing a ****ty job, iirc).
There were some themes that I found common among many of the posts here. It's subtle, hidden, and unwittingly insidious when it bites you on the ***. This theme pervades much of what I retrospectively interpreted from my memories of growing up in a racially homogenous environment. It's the theme of power.
In reference to "power", I certainly mean to say the privilege that pertains to belonging to the phenotypical-majority groups in the United States (i.e., White, Christian, English-speaking, and middle-class). Power is so potent in contemporary America, that those who have it often don't know they have it. Power, much like "money," gives someone options that the person considers to be earned or deserved. Except, unlike money, the kind of power to which I refer can never be shared or donated to a good cause; it will only be passed on to progeny in the person's unconscious heredity.
However, just like with money, it is possible to change how power -- the social capital -- can be exchanged in the United States. I know it's starting to sound contrived, but I really like this metaphor. So please bear with me.
As it currently stands in the US, there are different exchange rates among the racial and ethnic groups that represent us as a nation. If you belong to the American all-star group I referred to earlier,
, your exchange rate is nearly 1:1. That is, you can exercise almost lossless power in society: that which you think you "deserve" to do within legal limits, you probably can. I know this, and I am most definitely speaking from an admixture of my knowledge of the literature and my own personal experiences. Being White and English-speaking will save your ***, especially if you're well-spoken, calm, and otherwise waspy (forgive my epithet...it's my own projection as a white boy who grew up Lutheran in the suburbs). There is a certain rate devaluation that occurs as the individual in-question's presentation fits less with "Caucasian/white" than with "dark-skinned/black.""UB" said:
If you're a white dude like me (and qh2b1, imho), understanding your privilege has been conceptualized to occur by phases of development. I'll spare you the preachy nonsense, but what I'm saying is that learning about privilege is ****ed up because it completely contradicts what the American narrative is all about: equality. I'd love to continue this dialogue. I'm pretty high atm.
Best,
-
...'Merica
Jose_Ortiz_fan
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Also, Thriller, in answer to your question about what happened after WWII in regard to education, I think funding shifted more to higher education and technical training for returning veterans (GI bill). Not sure about that, but it's my hunch.
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I think the difference in education attitude is partly due to a feeling of entitlement. People generally begin to feel entitled for things they take for granted, and they feel they do not need to work for things they are entitled to. So people feel entitled to an education, and therefore feel that there is no need to work for it, so they bitch and moan when it strikes them as inconvenient and do little to actually change anything.
reasonable points in your post... except for this one
Things must be dramatically different in Utah (or wherever you are) if this is what you think is causing the problem
Maybe if we start with something like "the white community needs to dramatically alter the way resources are distributed" we can begin to remedy some of the educational ills in our society.