Islamists kill 12 people in France during attack on newspaper office.

[The Blue Elephant]

Countries like Bosnia and Turkey have 99% adult literacy rate and have the most favorable views vs things like apostasy and homosexualism (though they do have a fair share of terrorists in them but much less).

Look at some of these other countries...

Iraq 80.2%
Syria 79.6 %
Bangladesh... 57.7%
Pakistan 55.5%
Afghanistan adult literacy rate.... 28.1%

If you want to stop terrorism I assure you that educating them will be more successful and useful than you drawing pictures of Muhammad and insulting Islam over the internet.

Also I want to talk about this thing called the Stanford Prison experiment (also known as Zimbardo experiment). Essentially they did an experiment with students, some were randomly selected to be prisoners and some were randomly selected to be prison guards. The experiments ended early as the guards became more and more authoritarian and the prisoners became more and more criminal like. This happened in 6 days and happened even though the students knew they were acting. This is essentially what I think is sorta happening. Western nations are telling Muslims that "fundamental" Muslims are terrorists and therefore the "fundamentals" of the religion are to be aggressive/angry and some psychological effect is happening were Muslims are embracing this role and becoming radicalized.

 

[Stoked]

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/14/opinion/thomas-friedman-we-need-another-giant-protest.html

Part I found interesting is where he mentions that there is not one Islam today but many. That only some of those strains of Islam are violent and that their support is not "insagnificant".

Thoughts on the many different Islams? Especially from our Muslim members...

 

[Stoked]

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/14/opinion/thomas-friedman-we-need-another-giant-protest.html

Part I found interesting is where he mentions that there is not one Islam today but many. That only some of those strains of Islam are violent and that their support is not "insagnificant".

Thoughts on the many different Islams? Especially from our Muslim members...

 

[Duck Rodgers]

Here's a solid video from a few years ago about the immigrant setup in Paris and the resulting crime from that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBVzZPaHE3c

 

[Deleted member 848]

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/14/opinion/thomas-friedman-we-need-another-giant-protest.html

Part I found interesting is where he mentions that there is not one Islam today but many. That only some of those strains of Islam are violent and that their support is not "insagnificant".

Thoughts on the many different Islams? Especially from our Muslim members...

Just as many as any other religions. Read into Sufism sometime-- I'm pretty sure there's arguments of Sufism being more different than Wahhabist Islam than Judeochristian interpretations of monotheism.

Unfortunately, the particular arc of history that Islam has undertaken has really centralized the dogma of religion, and advocated for only one particular style, or adoption of faith. One could only hope that the proliferation of education and social media will result in a more heterogenous religion.

 

[Stoked]

Just as many as any other religions. Read into Sufism sometime-- I'm pretty sure there's arguments of Sufism being more different than Wahhabist Islam than Judeochristian interpretations of monotheism.

Unfortunately, the particular arc of history that Islam has undertaken has really centralized the dogma of religion, and advocated for only one particular style, or adoption of faith. One could only hope that the proliferation of education and social media will result in a more heterogenous religion.

Well it is comparing Islam to specific Catholics sects not Christianity as a whole. That the Pope controls the Catholic faith but in Islam there is no central control. So in that sense I agree.

But if you compare Islam to Christianity as a whole you are right. Many, many strains of Christianity have sprung up.

So question Dala. Would you as a Muslim feel it is more accurate to go from a broad term like "islamic" or "muslim" to one more specific like "alawite" when describing extremists?

 

[Deleted member 848]

Well it is comparing Islam to specific Catholics sects not Christianity as a whole. That the Pope controls the Catholic faith but in Islam there is no central control. So in that sense I agree.

But if you compare Islam to Christianity as a whole you are right. Many, many strains of Christianity have sprung up.

So question Dala. Would you as a Muslim feel it is more accurate to go from a broad term like "islamic" or "muslim" to one more specific like "alawite" when describing extremists?

My point with that comparison was to illustrate the breadth of diversity that emerged even from a faith as monolithic as modern Islam.


It depends on the context, honestly. Technically the use of terms like "Islamic extremism" and "Militant Islamism" aren't in and of themselves inaccurate or inappropriate-- it's how we perceive these terms, how we apply these terms, and how these terms impact the livelihoods of a global population. It is among those realms that the problems arise.


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[Stoked]

My point with that comparison was to illustrate the breadth of diversity that emerged even from a faith as monolithic as modern Islam.


It depends on the context, honestly. Technically the use of terms like "Islamic extremism" and "Militant Islamism" aren't in and of themselves inaccurate or inappropriate-- it's how we perceive these terms, how we apply these terms, and how these terms impact the livelihoods of a global population. It is among those realms that the problems arise.


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I agree, that is why I am asking. Would being more specific help seperate the extremist factions from the majority of peace loving muslims to the rest of the world?

 

[Deleted member 848]

I agree, that is why I am asking. Would being more specific help seperate the extremist factions from the majority of peace loving muslims to the rest of the world?

I think it would help most if our society actively looked into what was causing these extremist factions to thrive in the first place. This is something that is essentially avoided by nearly all media coverage. It is not in human nature to kill innocent people, no matter what your faith is-- what is causing these people to commit these atrocities in the name of religion?

We can try and construct a boundary between the two, of course-- and it's instrumental that we understand the crucial distinction that the Wahhabist interpretation of Islam is just as man-made, agenda-suiting, and inherently incomplete as every other interpretation of Islam. However, I don't think it'll completely address the looming Islamic extremism problem.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Stoked, a video you might enjoy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzusSqcotDw

 

[Stoked]

I think it would help most if our society actively looked into what was causing these extremist factions to thrive in the first place. This is something that is essentially avoided by nearly all media coverage. It is not in human nature to kill innocent people, no matter what your faith is-- what is causing these people to commit these atrocities in the name of religion?

We can try and construct a boundary between the two, of course-- and it's instrumental that we understand the crucial distinction that the Wahhabist interpretation of Islam is just as man-made, agenda-suiting, and inherently incomplete as every other interpretation of Islam. However, I don't think it'll completely address the looming Islamic extremism problem.

Like all complex problems there is no single solution, imo. But every little bit helps. I agree that massive work needs to be done to understand the root causes (there are many imo). How to address them varies based on each actual contributing cause.

Good replies and I appreciate it, thanks.