Stop telling who should live where. Both Palestinians and Israelis have all the rights to live in their homelands. If you want however, you are free to go and live in Saudi Arabia.
Israel Commences Ground Invasion into Gaza.
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Stop telling who should live where. Both Palestinians and Israelis have all the rights to live in their homelands. If you want however, you are free to go and live in Saudi Arabia.
DutchJazzer
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not saying that.
saying wtf is up with these arabs.
while some live in the msot luxurious place in the world.
while there brothers from another mother but same religion cant even get clean water.
GET IT!?
Really hard to get what you write sometimes. But it's not fully on me, when you say Saudi can absorb, it is normal that it can be understood that way. Please use at least some proper punctuation.
Well, as for your question, obviously Arabs and the whole humanity for that matter, is guilty when it comes to not aiding the poor. It's not much related with the race. Race doesn't guarantee alliance or oneness or solidarity. It's not an illness specific to the Arabs. You can find similar examples everywhere. But I'm talking here for the typical inequalities in the world, like in the living standards or the income inequality.
However, the Palestine case aint a typical poverty or inequality case. You should be very naive if you think no one in the world wants to help Palestine. On the contrary, there are tens of maybe hundreds of millions of people and thousands of groups from all over the world in the line who are trying their best to help to the Palestinians. Not in any kind of political or military aid I'm talking about here. Humanitarian aid. But why do you think the whole world can't ease even a bit of the misery of the Palestinian people?
Could you honestly ask this question to yourself Dutch? Or shall I give you some hints? Do you think, could it have anything to do with the restrictions of Israel? Could it be related to the Blockade of the Gaza Strip? Could it be related to the incidents like Mavi Marmara, Israel raiding the aid ships and killing the helpers in the international waters? Could it be related to Israel's starvation diet for Gaza? Could it be relevant with the restrictions in West Bank? Could it be connected with the non-stop bombing of the Palestinian towns and their vital infrastructures? Could it be about punishing the whole Palestinian people in the name of fighting Hamas?
Ask it to yourself Dutch, because it's a really simple matter. Palestinians don't have a shortage on the aid suppliers or volunteers for helping them, they have them in abundance. The problem is, they just cannot receive them. Why?
DutchJazzer
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again saudie arabie gave em 53 million in aid a while back.
do you wanna know what cop cars they have:
okay what i am saying. is if the arab league really wanted to help Palestine. NOTHING israel can do about it.
but lets face it the Arabs are not united. they can bust thrrough israels blocakde like its a peace of toiletpaper.
israel really helped out their fellow jews all over the world:
some examples
Operatoin Moses : Beginning November 21, 1984, it involved the air transport by TEA of some 8,000 Ethiopian Jews from Sudan via Brussels to Israel, ending January 5, 1985.
operastion jachin: Operation jachin was an operation to secretly emigrate Moroccan Jews to Israel, conducted by Israel's Mossad between November 1961 and spring 1964. About 97,000 left for Israel by plane and ship from Casablanca and Tangier via France and Italy
Operation Ezra and Nehemiah: From 1950 to 1952, O airlifted between 120,000 and 130,000 Iraqi Jews to Israel
Operation Kanfei Nesharim: an operation between June 1949 and September 1950 that brought 49,000 Yemenite Jews to the new state of Israel
and lot of other aliyah's
That is just a few of these so called operations.
instead of buying expensive cars and building crappy island worthless buildings. the saudies only chose to give "symbolic/publi re;lations" help.
cus if they really wanted to help out gaze or westbank. israel would be DOOMED.
the difference being while israel wisely spents it money to SAVES jewish LIVES just to save lives. not for a pr stunt or symbolism. saudies and other rich arab countries dont give a **** about suffering of their brothers.
so let me answer your questions:
possibly
with the ammount of funds those greedy arabs have they could bust through that blocakde like it is a peace of toilet paper. they chose not to
those saudies have enough money to get whatever the **** they want to the people in gaza. from a bottle of water to a Panavia Tornado fighter jet
so again they chose not to help out their brothers. they are more concerned with maintaining their luxurious lives. no true jew/zionist would live like those guys while their own people suffers like that
again those 22 arab countries could wipe israel off the map in a week. but they just dont care enough.
this was jsut me playing devils advocate.
the jewish people are more united then you think. there is no way hamas can win this fight. so either their arab brothers help em out(which likely wont happen) or they shut up and put up. as soon as israel does not get rockets every so often the blockade would surely and slowly dissapear.
in a way the holocaust united the jewish tribes as one. israel would help any jewish comunity no matter where they are.
this also shows the mentality of arab people.
hamas is using human shileds and seriously if i was a teacher at some school is see a group of hamas soldiers setting up rockets i would go outside and kill em. not cheer em on, cus if you chjeer em on you are no longer a innocent civie. your school is no longer a school. but a base of attack that shall and needs to be destroyed.
which brings me to my last point since this battle is lost they could migrate be absorbed by arab countries who live in luxury. but brings another problem groups of arabs differ on opinions to the point they start killing each other.
DutchJazzer
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dont get me wrong. i am not some heartless piece of ****(just a piece of ****). i do feel bad and sory for the indivuduals, but as a people as a whole i do not pity them
The Blue Elephant
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Wrong. Cop car (no s). That is a parade car, cops don't drive that. You really need to fact check Dutch. You are exposing your lack of knowledge.
Yes, moral grounds, recognizing the Palestinians as full human beings, with full human rights. That means full citizenship. If they are to be a part of Israel, full Israeli citizenship. If you consider a permanent second-class status to be a valid solution, then that would speak very poorly for you.
It's interesting that you took my "re-acquiring" and translating that into "stealing". It sounds like you are experiencing a little cognitive dissonance here.
GVC
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The US wouldn't allow that.
GVC
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Did you miss his 2 posts on ethnic cleansing? That's what he considers to be the (final) solution.
JimLes
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They lost at least 3 major wars to Israel. They still want to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews they can. How can you still ask for anything from Israel at this point?
When, in modern or ancient history, has a thoroughly defeated side been able to dictate peace terms to the victors?
GVC
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Consider his point.
Had the Germans won, would you have been fine with the continued extermination of the Jewish people? Where do you stand on apartheid in South Africa? Would these victors have been right in their chosen "peace" terms?
JimLes
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The victors DID settle on chosen terms in South Africa. The Apartheid regime was not overthrown by force, it was dismantled once the white community decided it was going to be dismantled. Based on a referendum, no less. The terms were very much those white South Africans were offering. There was no land reform, there was no financial restitution, there was no nationalization of industry or business, no prosecution of vast majority of perpetrators of state abuse during Apartheid. But according to you and other Palestinian apologists, Mandela was an idiot. He should've asked for way more, causing whites to laugh in his face, then continued the futile, ineffective armed struggle for another 50 years. Because despite being some 10% of the country's population, the whites were more than capable, militarily and economically, of extending their rule another 50 years.
Therein lies the brilliance of Nelson Mandela. At some point, he realized that the reality of the situation is that freedom could not be won by force. It was going to be given to you by the whites, whether you liked that or not. That also meant that you were going to get a whole lot less than you would if you could just defeat them militarily and drive them out. Nothing wrong with this, it's just being realistic. Same goes for the Palestinians. Israel is willing to give them their own country and some form of self-rule. Sure, it's not the borders the Palestinians would like, it won't include a single square inch of Jerusalem, there will be no return of refugees(especially fake ones who were born after 1948) and it will likely mean Israeli control over security. Since defeating Israel at this point falls under science fiction, it's all you're going to get. What exactly are you holding out for? Every day, the offer will get smaller and smaller, and Israel has shown over and over that they could go on under current circumstances indefinitely. I mean, the terms offered to Arafat at Camp David in 2000 are already so much more generous than anything that Palestinians can expect today.
Dutch, forget about the Arabs for a moment. It's clear that you have problems with them and it just fogs your mind, even though you have some valid points about it.
Anyway, I'm not talking about money, fund, political or military aid here. Humanitarian aid. Israel is both collective punishing the whole Palestinian people for the sins of Hamas by destroying their vital facilities and infrastructures and also they are hugely restricting the Humanitarian aid to the region. For tangible things, like food, baby food, clean water, wheelchairs, medicines and medical equipment, clothing, gasoline, heating aid, hygiene stuff etc. And there are many reports that claim Israel is even messing with the little allowed aid and diminishing them behind the doors. People don't even want Israel to help them, if they were just not restricting humanitarian aid to the poor Palestinian people, there would be really really huge relief for the Palestinians. Even only the volunteers and the aid from let's say French, British or Turkish people would be more than enough for that.
As for your delusions about the Arabs vs Israel. Sorry but that's just crazy talk. The Arabs have neither the military power nor the political power to do anything against Israel. Whether they are united or not, doesn't matter. You have just no idea how comfortable and authoritative Israel is in the region. You think the Saudis can use their money against Israel, money can't do a **** when you don't have any word or any power over anyone. Let alone the blockades and the restrictions, Israel even have the authority on the most border crossings in the region.
Israel is alone just too strong for the most of the Arabs and will be enough for the all of them with a tiny bit help from his uncle. Other than the Arabs, there are only two countries in the region that can potentially compete with Israel, one is Turkey and one is Iran(doubtful), which also bears nothing but a nonsensical topic anyway, because it is only hypothetical and it would be very foolish for them to mess with Israel too.
None of it matters anyway, as long as the US continue to stand behind Israel. The US provides Israel with at least $8.5 million per day as only the military aid and that's just their routine relationships. Not to mention to the very very strong bonds between the two states both politically, financially and strategically.
Plus, it's not only the US either. Yesterday for instance, Merkel the hag woman opened her ugly mouth and supported Israel along with a pious but friendly warning that they should be more careful when killing. The other western countries did the same, more or less. So, in the very very worst scenario for Israel, you'd be just talking about the third world war if anyone in the Middle East tries to swoop on Israel. Could the Arabs take the chance for the WW3 only to get destroyed by the US and the West for the Palestine? Of course not. They wouldn't do that even for themselves! They couldn't.
And before you talk about the Hamas and human shields one more time, I don't defend neither Hamas using human shields nor Israel killing kids playing on the beaches. On the contrary, I believe Hamas is behaving very very detrimental for the Palestinians and they have behaved in that way most of the time. I'm even suspicious about them whether they are genuinely contending for the Palestinian people or not. If they are genuine, then they have just no idea how much they are hurting their own case.
And again for the last time, stop telling who should live or migrate to where or who should absorb who. The Palestinians want to live in their homelands and they deserve and have every rights to do so. Nothing can justify the oppression of Israel against them.
Anyway, let me finish with a Turkish saying. Forty cats don't come up to a lion. It so fits the situation here. United or not, the Arabs just can't cope with Israel and USA.
Anyway, I'm not talking about money, fund, political or military aid here. Humanitarian aid. Israel is both collective punishing the whole Palestinian people for the sins of Hamas by destroying their vital facilities and infrastructures and also they are hugely restricting the Humanitarian aid to the region. For tangible things, like food, baby food, clean water, wheelchairs, medicines and medical equipment, clothing, gasoline, heating aid, hygiene stuff etc. And there are many reports that claim Israel is even messing with the little allowed aid and diminishing them behind the doors. People don't even want Israel to help them, if they were just not restricting humanitarian aid to the poor Palestinian people, there would be really really huge relief for the Palestinians. Even only the volunteers and the aid from let's say French, British or Turkish people would be more than enough for that.
As for your delusions about the Arabs vs Israel. Sorry but that's just crazy talk. The Arabs have neither the military power nor the political power to do anything against Israel. Whether they are united or not, doesn't matter. You have just no idea how comfortable and authoritative Israel is in the region. You think the Saudis can use their money against Israel, money can't do a **** when you don't have any word or any power over anyone. Let alone the blockades and the restrictions, Israel even have the authority on the most border crossings in the region.
Israel is alone just too strong for the most of the Arabs and will be enough for the all of them with a tiny bit help from his uncle. Other than the Arabs, there are only two countries in the region that can potentially compete with Israel, one is Turkey and one is Iran(doubtful), which also bears nothing but a nonsensical topic anyway, because it is only hypothetical and it would be very foolish for them to mess with Israel too.
None of it matters anyway, as long as the US continue to stand behind Israel. The US provides Israel with at least $8.5 million per day as only the military aid and that's just their routine relationships. Not to mention to the very very strong bonds between the two states both politically, financially and strategically.
Plus, it's not only the US either. Yesterday for instance, Merkel the hag woman opened her ugly mouth and supported Israel along with a pious but friendly warning that they should be more careful when killing. The other western countries did the same, more or less. So, in the very very worst scenario for Israel, you'd be just talking about the third world war if anyone in the Middle East tries to swoop on Israel. Could the Arabs take the chance for the WW3 only to get destroyed by the US and the West for the Palestine? Of course not. They wouldn't do that even for themselves! They couldn't.
And before you talk about the Hamas and human shields one more time, I don't defend neither Hamas using human shields nor Israel killing kids playing on the beaches. On the contrary, I believe Hamas is behaving very very detrimental for the Palestinians and they have behaved in that way most of the time. I'm even suspicious about them whether they are genuinely contending for the Palestinian people or not. If they are genuine, then they have just no idea how much they are hurting their own case.
And again for the last time, stop telling who should live or migrate to where or who should absorb who. The Palestinians want to live in their homelands and they deserve and have every rights to do so. Nothing can justify the oppression of Israel against them.
Anyway, let me finish with a Turkish saying. Forty cats don't come up to a lion. It so fits the situation here. United or not, the Arabs just can't cope with Israel and USA.
DutchJazzer
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DJ, you obviously have no clue of the history of that land, as proven by your posts.
Israel laid claim to the land during the blue, your history is garbage
ooh ok, it says in wikipedia so it is indisputable truth.
OK!
DutchJazzer
Banned
read everything.
if Palestinians want to live in their home land. they should wage war against the " opressors"
those forty kittens should not poke the lion.
in other words there are rockets flying into israel whatever damage they do they are asking for war and poking the lion.
this is wwar.
Thanks for reading, then. Respect your opinion.