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It all started with Eric Maynor

feeko said:
All of you bring up amazing points like the money issues and so on. I thought I was clear when I said it started with maynor, then brewer, and then it spiraled downhill from there. Obviously dwill, Mathews and the whole gang.

I hated boozer the most out of anyone. Sure we could have made a few moves where we were lacking like dealing boozer, maybe signing a 2 guard. But what I'm saying is that we had a great team and all of those players started dropping like flies after Maynor was dealt. It was a rippling effect. We were winning 50+ games. I wonder to myself why did the Jazz organization not build on this and fill in the few holes we had? rather than starting from scratch???


Yeah the Lakers series obviously made all of us cringe. That's why we could have made a few moves to improve our areas where we were weak.

I would have loved to see what the team would have done now. That's all I'm saying. Hats off to no one blasting me, yet...
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If I recall the offseason before Boozers last year, the jazz tried to trade him. KOC couldn't find any acceptable trades I recall the heat wanting to give us butler and other scrubs for him. I think that was the best offer on the table. KOC did a great job being patient, in doing so we were able to turn Boozer into Al Jefferson with a trade exception we got for Boozer if I recall most were exited about getting Big Al even Deron was happy with the move. Remember Derons declaration "I will make you an all-star" quote. Then we found out that Al didn't fit the offense.

Back to the time you are referring to, the jazz had no money to to fill in the holes the jazz had that's why they traded Brewer and Maynor. If I recall the contract discussions with Brewer didn't go well Brewer wanted more money then the jazz could afford. The jazz saw Brewer as nothing more then a role player while Brewer saw it a little different. If the Jazz had payed Brewer and Kept Maynor not only would the jazz have lost Matthews they may not have been able to keep Millsap. I can live with a business decision that insures the future. While still beng able to field a competitive team. The move that bugs me the most, and when the jazz made the move it made me upset was the Memo contract extension.
 
feeko said:
When the ownership dealt Eric Maynor I was shocked. Nobody saw it at the time, but it was the beginning of our collapse...Then a few weeks later, boom, Ronnie Brewer goes. Slowly but surely, the core of players that we had built up were evaporating before our eyes.
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1. Brewer wasn't going to be resigned following the 09-10 season so Utah would've lost him for nothing that offseason. O'Connor managed to get a protected 1st-rnd pick from Memphis that he used in the Al Jefferson trade. My only concern at the time was the trade hurt our depth on the wing - which was amplifited when AK missed virtually all of the playoffs and the last month of the regular season - but that was a short-term concern only.

2. Sure a healthy Eric Maynor on this year's roster would be a nice bonus, but it's not like trading Maynor began the downfall of the franchise. Memo's injury and the attempt to replace Boozer-Matthews-Korver with Jefferson-Bell-CJ was the tipping point that ended Utah's run as a 50-win team and one of the best offensive teams in basketball - but it had nothing to do with Maynor - who as much as I like the way he runs the point, IMO he's a Howard Eisley-type player - terrific and highly effective backup PG but a marginal starter in the NBA.
 
If the question was "do you wish the Jazz hadn't signed an post-peak Harpring to a 4 year deal (and, thus, keep Maynor)?" then it's a slam dunk YES. The Harp and Memo extensions are amongst the worst deals the Jazz have made.

In other words, you need more historical context. Why start pointing fingers at the Maynor trade?
 
If Maynor was needed to get rid of the others then I guess it's ok but I do wonder what it would have been like right now if we had been able to keep him. He was our selection in that PG rich draft.
 
feeko said:
When the ownership dealt Eric Maynor I was shocked. Nobody saw it at the time, but it was the beginning of our collapse. It started with Maynor and I'll never forget reading from players on the team that the plane ride right after he was traded was the quietest ever. Then a few weeks later, boom, Ronnie Brewer goes. Slowly but surely, the core of players that we had built up were evaporating before our eyes. I think we had the sickest squad in the game and it proves it because we went to the Western Conference Finals only to lose because of crap NBA officiating. Now let me ask you this, imagine if those players stuck around. Imagine the chemistry everyone would have together. Hats off to OKC for staying with their players and being patient, waiting for them to develop and mesh well together. Look what we have now and look what we had then. WE HAD IT. They let it go with lots of boneheaded moves.

Now criticize, curse, yell at me all you want. That's all everyone does on jazzfanz anyways.

Go Jazz.
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So Maynor and Brewer would have gotten us a Chip. Lolol. And I just don't buy the ref argument.

We already saw how far Deron and Boozer could take us. Time to move on. I think this team can achieve more.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
If I recall the offseason before Boozers last year, the jazz tried to trade him. KOC couldn't find any acceptable trades I recall the heat wanting to give us butler and other scrubs for him. I think that was the best offer on the table. KOC did a great job being patient, in doing so we were able to turn Boozer into Al Jefferson with a trade exception we got for Boozer if I recall most were exited about getting Big Al even Deron was happy with the move. Remember Derons declaration "I will make you an all-star" quote. Then we found out that Al didn't fit the offense.
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It's not so much that Al didn't fit the offense as that his defense didn't fit the defense.

Or lack thereof.

AJ is Boozer II--with a bit less scoring ability, a smidgeon more D, and a wheeze (weezy) rather than a yelp.
 
Maybe it's just me but I absolutely hated the Maynor pick. The day we got rid of him was a good day. We recognized our mistake and acted on it. Just not sure why we've been so patient with others(CJ).
 
prodigy said:
Maybe it's just me but I absolutely hated the Maynor pick. The day we got rid of him was a good day. We recognized our mistake and acted on it. Just not sure why we've been so patient with others(CJ).
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Wait ... what?

Maynor was a decent 20-something pick.

He was doing well for the Jazz. Unlike our current starting PG, he actually ran an offense.

His trade was primarily a financial one.

He's done decently since.
 
vslice02 said:
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2. Sure a healthy Eric Maynor on this year's roster would be a nice bonus, but it's not like trading Maynor began the downfall of the franchise. Memo's lack of ability to play offense and defense in the same game (and subsequent puzzling re-signing, even before the injury) and the attempt to replace Boozer-Matthews-Korver with Jefferson-Bell-CJ was the tipping point that ended Utah's run as a 50-win team and one of the best offensive teams in basketball - but it had nothing to do with Maynor - who as much as I like the way he runs the point, IMO he's a Howard Eisley-type player - terrific and highly effective backup PG but a marginal starter in the NBA.
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Fixed.
 
NAOS said:
If the question was "do you wish the Jazz hadn't signed an post-peak Harpring to a 4 year deal (and, thus, keep Maynor)?" then it's a slam dunk YES. The Harp and Memo extensions are amongst the worst deals the Jazz have made.
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Um, I think the max 7-year deal for AK ranks somewhere above those petty-cash signings.

Like, maybe, two or three stratospheres higher.
 
Haven't read the thread but it shouldn't be difficult in any way to re-acquire Maynor. They will decide who to keep between him and Jackson and the other guy is out the door.
 
Maynor could've been a great starting PG along with Burks, Hayward, Favors, Kanter.
I mean, that core is an amazing potential starting 5 that could've been.
 
Brown Notes said:
Haven't read the thread but it shouldn't be difficult in any way to re-acquire Maynor. They will decide who to keep between him and Jackson and the other guy is out the door.
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He did have a serious serious injury....so maybe that eases getting him.
 
Just to clarify I don't think Maynor is the answer but he's not bad and would be a nice cheapish addition to the squad.
 
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