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This was a great video and I think actually makes BYU look good. Sounds like none of these people have received any hate or mistreatment from their fellow students.
 
The Black Swordsman said:
Hey at least they are not Black.

"If the White man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain (those with dark skin), the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so." - Brigham Young
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Some past Mormon leaders have SAID some crazy stuff in the past. Luckily they were never as crazy as current MUSLIMS who are actually KILLING homosexuals by hanging them. I would keep your mouth shut because the Muslim religion is the most anti-homosexual organization in the world.
 
Beantown said:
Some past Mormon leaders have SAID some crazy stuff in the past. Luckily they were never as crazy as current MUSLIMS who are actually KILLING homosexuals by hanging them. I would keep your mouth shut because the Muslim religion is the most anti-homosexual organization in the world.
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All the LDS church does is cause lifelong depression and suicidal thoughts.
 
Beantown said:
Some past Mormon leaders have SAID some crazy stuff in the past. Luckily they were never as crazy as current MUSLIMS who are actually KILLING homosexuals by hanging them. I would keep your mouth shut because the Muslim religion is the most anti-homosexual organization in the world.
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First of all I did this because TroutBum went to the Muslim forum and starting saying the reason Muslims are Muslims are for Virgins. I don't mean to offend any Mormons.

Now second of all I want to talk about homosexual acts in Islam

There is no punishment in the Qur'an for Homosexual acts.

The only reference in the Qur'an is people from the tribe of Lut did Homosexual acts outside of marriage in spite of Allah wanting them to and Allah punished them with death.

Basically the view is that if they do something wrong, it is for Allah to Judge.

Even the most conservative of the Hanafi sunni school says "Muslim blood can only be spilled for adultery, apostasy and homicide" (BTW the Qur'an also mentions NO PUNISHMENT for apostasy, this school just views it as such)

Further I want to reference something for you.

"no legal punishment is stated in the Qur'an for homosexuality... it is not reported that Prophet Muhammad has punished somebody for committing homosexuality...there is no authentic hadith reported from the Prophet prescribing a punishment for the homosexuals..."

-Threats to Behead Homosexuals: Shari`ah or Politics? by Mohamed El-Moctar El-Shinqiti, IslamOnline.net
 
Xsy said:
I was raised Mormon, but left because I'm gay. I was 19, and faced with the choice of coming out, or going on The Mish.

I really don't understand people who want to be in homosexual relationships, yet still follow the church. Every Sunday or so growing up, I would sing a song in primary called "Follow the Prophet". This song, various other church hymns, and countless other General Conference talks taught me that the Prophet directly communicates with God-- and what he says is LITERALLY the word of GOD. To say "I disagree with the Prophet's stance on homosexuality" is to say "I do not believe in the Mormon religion." The LDS faith is special, in that it has a modern day prophet, which means the doctrine is NOT up for interpretation. In fact, it's quite clear how the church feels about homosexual relationships.

If you think your interpretation of the LDS religion is better than that of the religion's actual prophet, then you need to start your own church.
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Hmmm, I guess that's like, your opinion man. The fact is, even the prophet of the LDS church is a man, and is therefore fallible. I am also vehemently against the church's stance on homosexuality, science/evolution/age of the Earth, among other things, but you'll never get me to leave the church. I'm fairly certain you'll never find a bishop or anyone in authority that will tell me that I need to either change my mind, or get out/start my own church either.

That being said, I see why you feel the way you do, and I don't begrudge you your feelings. Heaven knows you've probably had a harder go at it than I have. We should get together one of these nights, have a few drinks, and I can show you the pictures from Archie's bachelor party. (hint: Cap'n Morgan, clown costume, video camera, donkey)
 
Hipporippo said:
I guess you lucked out on that one then.
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You should post more. +19

Beantown said:
Some past Mormon leaders have SAID some crazy stuff in the past. Luckily they were never as crazy as current MUSLIMS who are actually KILLING homosexuals by hanging them. I would keep your mouth shut because the Muslim religion is the most anti-homosexual organization in the world.
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The problem is, Clown, you actually believe this. You are the TBS of Mormonism, good job, doe.

Xsy said:
All the LDS church does is cause lifelong depression and suicidal thoughts.
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I'm pretty sure the LDS church just abides by their rules. It is the person who is going against those rules who is causing "lifelong depression and suicidal thoughts". I'm on your side, bro-haim, but this kind of illogical blather really makes me cringe.

The Black Swordsman said:
First of all I did this because TroutBum went to the Muslim forum and starting saying the reason Muslims are Muslims are for Virgins. I don't mean to offend any Mormons.
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We have a Muslim forum? Link? Time to get my joke on.
 
Here at BYU, we are very accepting to homosexuals. We treat them just like any other people, and they can attend our university. We just don't want them to love anybody. That's all.

And Thriller is right, Provo is the most accepting of different cultures and lifestyles of any city. Thanks for your questions.

- Craig
 
franklin said:
This thread is depressing. I'm going to start drinking earlier today now. Thanks *** holes.
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It was 11:40 when you posted this and you hadn't started drinking yet? You're getting old.
 
Beantown said:
This was a great video and I think actually makes BYU look good. Sounds like none of these people have received any hate or mistreatment from their fellow students.
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I know, right? Their gay and no one from BYU has treated them like ****. Victory! Settin' the bar low FTW!
 
BabyPeterzz said:
I know, right? Their gay and no one from BYU has treated them like ****. Victory! Settin' the bar low FTW!
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I don't get it. Why do people try and point out the negative in a positive? I mean, keep on hating, if that makes you feel better.

Trollololololol
 
TroutBum said:
Hmmm, I guess that's like, your opinion man. The fact is, even the prophet of the LDS church is a man, and is therefore fallible. I am also vehemently against the church's stance on homosexuality, science/evolution/age of the Earth, among other things, but you'll never get me to leave the church. I'm fairly certain you'll never find a bishop or anyone in authority that will tell me that I need to either change my mind, or get out/start my own church either.

That being said, I see why you feel the way you do, and I don't begrudge you your feelings. Heaven knows you've probably had a harder go at it than I have. We should get together one of these nights, have a few drinks, and I can show you the pictures from Archie's bachelor party. (hint: Cap'n Morgan, clown costume, video camera, donkey)
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Details please.
 
I attend the U of U, but I've actually been to this USGA (understanding same gender attraction) meeting at BYU before. I've met many of the people in this video and was one of the first people to watch it (saw it like 10 minutes after they finished the editing). If you live in SLC/Provo/whatever, I highly recommend going to one of their meetings...it's a very fun group of people with a lot of spirituality mixed in; it's really very interesting to hear from first hand experience what it's like to be both gay and LDS. They meet every Thursday at 7:30 p.m. in the Talmage building...I believe....can't remember the room number, but I can find out if anyone wants to know.

Anyway, I have pondered homosexuality a lot, both in a political context and in an LDS context. I'd rather not get into a big debate about this stuff with everyone right now, but if anyone wants to have a personal discussion on the matter, just PM me and I'd love to exchange thoughts.

Also, for those who want a little more context and information on what it's like to be gay and LDS, there is a documentary coming out this summer on this very subject made by a BYU faculty member (or at least he used to be...I don't think he is atm). In the film, and even in the trailer, he addresses a lot of the questions being discussed here. Here's a trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGdiM-BUl4Y
 
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