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homeytennis

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Bye bye Lester, Cookie, Scottie, Dominic, Jason. It was nice of you to drop by and play. Now we have some serious tanking to do with Tis and Ian.
 
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Tanking when professionalizing the players should be perfect. The Tinsley move is on that route. As much as I hate it, if the tank is there, at least let it be that way. There are already a bunch of talks about the chance tanking could hurt young players' winning attitude.

And if the team had a coach that could set plays, that tank could easily be destroyed.
 
addictionary said:
Tanking when professionalizing the players should be perfect. The Tinsley move is on that route. As much as I hate it, if the tank is there, at least let it be that way. There are already a bunch of talks about the chance tanking could hurt young players' winning attitude.

And if the team had a coach that could set plays, that tank could easily be destroyed.
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If this team comes out to play, like they did last night, and they lose I am all for it. You can build a winning mentality/philosophy and still lose games. It all depends on the FO, coaching staff and the mental durability of the youth. I want it to burn inside the core and piss them off. You don't like losing? Good!! Then go our there and dominate like you have the ability to do. Own the court and take the win.
 
Stoked said:
If this team comes out to play, like they did last night, and they lose I am all for it. You can build a winning mentality/philosophy and still lose games. It all depends on the FO, coaching staff and the mental durability of the youth. I want it to burn inside the core and piss them off. You don't like losing? Good!! Then go our there and dominate like you have the ability to do. Own the court and take the win.
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Pretty much this; but I doubt Corbin can address a sentence like that.
 
Stoked said:
If this team comes out to play, like they did last night, and they lose I am all for it. You can build a winning mentality/philosophy and still lose games. It all depends on the FO, coaching staff and the mental durability of the youth. I want it to burn inside the core and piss them off. You don't like losing? Good!! Then go our there and dominate like you have the ability to do. Own the court and take the win.
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I predict a 9-73 record this year.
 
You guys do know what's wrong with tanking right? Players want to make millions of dollars, and if they play like crap they don't get that big contract. So players start playing me ball trying to get theirs while not following a set offence or defending. This creates not only a losing culture but a lot of selfish bad habits in the players that takes years to correct, if not just losing the player entirely. If you really want to tank, then get ready to lose the entire core four if not Burke as well, because they will likely not recover from this. It would end up being Wiggins and whomever we draft in the lottery for the next five seasons after the team trades away Hayward, Favors, Kanter, Burks and Burke because they don't play within the offence.
 
addictionary said:
Tanking when professionalizing the players should be perfect. The Tinsley move is on that route. As much as I hate it, if the tank is there, at least let it be that way. There are already a bunch of talks about the chance tanking could hurt young players' winning attitude.

And if the team had a coach that could set plays, that tank could easily be destroyed.
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Seriously, maybe you should take the year off. The media and some uninformed fans think the Jazz are tanking simply because they've decided to let their talented young guys be the focus of the team. Did you want another year of Favors and Kanter sitting on the bench? That would seem more like tanking to me because AJ/Millsap were not going to make us contenders. Did you forget that the Jazz missed the playoffs last year? The only reason why people think teams are tanking is because of the hype regarding this draft.

The Jazz as an organization have FINALLY decided to play and develop the young guys. OKC did this and stunk two years in a row. I never heard anyone mention tanking. All the media talked about was them being the new exciting young team. People criticize SA for tanking to get Tim Duncan, I recall them beating out the Celtics for Duncan. 4 championships later and no one cares how Duncan got on the Spurs.

If the Jazz sit Favors/Kanter for Biedrins and some other slug vet they bring in then yes I would agree they are not rebuilding but tanking. As far as the Tinsley move it was a good move not because Tinsley is all world but he knows the system, he showed leadership last year and Burke is out for weeks or a month or two. If the Jazz had signed Scott Machado to a contract then again there would be more evidence of tanking.

If these young players are so mentally weak that they will fold with a few losses then it is time for the team to find out and get rid of them. The NBA is a man's game and you better pick your head up and play hard or you will be out of the league quickly. This year I am looking for improvement from the Core4 and Burke/Gobert/Evans. It is time to find out what the Jazz have. The future is very bright people just have to have a little patience.
 
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You guys do know what's wrong with tanking right? Players want to make millions of dollars, and if they play like crap they don't get that big contract. So players start playing me ball trying to get theirs while not following a set offence or defending. This creates not only a losing culture but a lot of selfish bad habits in the players that takes years to correct, if not just losing the player entirely. If you really want to tank, then get ready to lose the entire core four if not Burke as well, because they will likely not recover from this. It would end up being Wiggins and whomever we draft in the lottery for the next five seasons after the team trades away Hayward, Favors, Kanter, Burks and Burke because they don't play within the offence.
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The sky is falling ... the sky is falling. First of all Favors will be with the team for the next five years. Kanter, Burks and Burke are all under contract next year so the only player who could possibly leave is Hayward. Besides the fact that now that the Jazz have cleared out the roster to give these guys starting positions , do you think they want to go to a place where they might not have the same role? Maybe or maybe not? Beside the fact, there is another side of the coin to your concern, if the players start playing hero ball, do you think other teams won't notice? Stop with all the tanking talk it is making you not think straight. The Jazz are rebuilding finally. If you can't take the growing pains then take a year off but I think you are going to miss the best part of the season which is seeing several talented players develop into better players. You will also finally get to see if these players are ready for primetime so the Jazz can fill their weaknesses through the draft. Why are so many fans looking at this negatively? Maybe too many of you are too young to remember that the Jazz sucked when they came to SLC, part of the joy of being a Jazz fan was watching them draft players who could make them contenders some day. It didn't happen over night but it was well worth waiting for S&M to develop into a contender.

I am going to remind people a few years from now how silly it is to be saying the sky is falling when we should be saying the sun is shining on Jazz nation.
 
If you are a loser than losing will break you down. If you are a winner/competitor then losing only pisses you off to get better. Losing should act as a motivator if you are mentally tough.
 
I said nothing about them leaving on their own, I specifically said 'trade'. I am not implying that they will strop trying, I am saying that they will become selfish self centered hero ballers aka Mo, and will no longer have value on a team that tries to play an organized system style of basketball.
 
You know what the Jazz are in the business of doing? They are specifically 'creating' stars. The reason that I don't believe in the tank is because they are doing so much to take talented players and turn them into stars. Instead of tanking and getting guys that are already superstars, they maintain a winning culture while taking talented but flawed players and A: bringing in coaches to develop their talents, B: Sending them to P3 to maximize their athletic abilities. C: Bringing in veterans (which cost more than d-league roster fillers) to show them the ropes. The Jazz wouldn't mind getting Wiggins or Parker for sure, but nothing in what they are doing is geared toward getting those players. In fact I would bet that they considered letting Millsap, Al, and Mo go a necessary setback to further their current stars development instead of an opportunity to tank.
 
cctrackstar said:
You guys do know what's wrong with tanking right? Players want to make millions of dollars, and if they play like crap they don't get that big contract. So players start playing me ball trying to get theirs while not following a set offence or defending. This creates not only a losing culture but a lot of selfish bad habits in the players that takes years to correct, if not just losing the player entirely. If you really want to tank, then get ready to lose the entire core four if not Burke as well, because they will likely not recover from this. It would end up being Wiggins and whomever we draft in the lottery for the next five seasons after the team trades away Hayward, Favors, Kanter, Burks and Burke because they don't play within the offence.
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This didn't happen to the biggest tankers ever, the golden state warriors
 
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