It's hard to judge Dennis Lindsey

[RandyForRubio]

We traded Kanter who then got a monster contract. You said we might walk away from this trade without a quality NBA player. We could take the monster contract money that we would have had to offer Kanter and offer it to a quality NBA player who could then come play for us.

We can't ignore the salary cap ramifications in trades. The money isn't just cash... it limits how you how you can shape your team. I would rather have the crappy picks, Pleiss on the cheap, and buyout Garrett than have Kanter at his current price. TBH I'd rather have nothing than Kanter at the max.

I wasn't aware we would have been forced to re-sign Kanter if we hadn't traded him. News to me. What I'm saying is we basically got the same return for trading him that we would've if we had kept him and not re-signed him. It was a decent move at best, our return was subpar.

 

[RandyForRubio]

you cannot sound competent on this trade if you don't mention the financial side of the equation. That was certainly a big factor.

Sure we saved money, if you think we would have re-signed him (we wouldn't have).

 

[franklin]

Howard, please continue going full retard. This is amusing.

 

[NAOS]

I wasn't aware we would have been forced to re-sign Kanter if we hadn't traded him. News to me. What I'm saying is we basically got the same return for trading him that we would've if we had kept him and not re-signed him. It was a decent move at best, our return was subpar.

What metrics are you using? In other words, how do you figure?

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Sure we saved money, if you think we would have re-signed him (we wouldn't have).

So you're saying it would have been better to keep him until the end of the year and get nothing, even though you got to see with your own eyes that having him gone at the trade deadline played huge dividends for the team down the stretch? Amazing that you would hold to this line of argument when we have all of the facts before us. Your argument might have made sense on the day the trade was made, but it doesn't now.

 

[RandyForRubio]

So you're saying it would have been better to keep him until the end of the year and get nothing, even though you got to see with your own eyes that having him gone at the trade deadline played huge dividends for the team down the stretch? Amazing that you would hold to this line of argument when we have all of the facts before us. Your argument might have made sense on the day the trade was made, but it doesn't now.

That's not what I said. I never even said I disagreed with the trade. All I said was that our return wasn't very good. This isn't that difficult.

 

[jazzfan1971]

Which GM would you trade DL for?

I think Daryl Morey is the best in the biz. I'd swap for him.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

That's not what I said. I never even said I disagreed with the trade. All I said was that our return wasn't very good. This isn't that difficult.

Lol. If it's not that difficult then tell us what he should have gotten. The fact is it was a miracle he got anything, and an even bigger miracle the way things have worked out since the trade, yet you keep saying he should have gotten more.

 

[VINYLONE]

Not hard for me to judge him. He's been great so far with the resources he's had to work with. Not every decision has been a winner, but many have.

Honestly, him not re-signing Demarre is the biggest regret I have for him.

Nate and I are lockstep when it comes to Lindsey. Things could be much, much worse.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I wasn't aware we would have been forced to re-sign Kanter if we hadn't traded him. News to me. What I'm saying is we basically got the same return for trading him that we would've if we had kept him and not re-signed him. It was a decent move at best, our return was subpar.

Same return? We would have gotten a protected future first, an international prospect who was a borderline first round pick, and rid ourselves of Novak's contract by letting him walk? I realize some may view that as a pile of meh, but Kanter in a contract year when everyone knew he'd get an offer from someone that would make a GM squirm is basically worth a pile of meh. There were no good fits out there style wise for Kanter so DL got some value. He got market value... its not like he didn't try and get more.

We also had to do it to rid ourselves of that turd and everyone knew it. Wasn't like we were negotiating from a place of power.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think Daryl Morey is the best in the biz. I'd swap for him.

He's had some failings too. I don't think that would be a great culture fit personally. I do think he's a good GM and he does a good job extracting value in trades and such.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

For all those that want to doubt DL the argument is he should have traded Kanter last offseason or earlier to get more value... we were stuck when we traded him.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Also, the closest comps as far as trades would have been Dion Waiters and Iman Shumpert. Flawed prospects nearing the end of rookie deals. NY got rid of JR Smith and that was really it... Cleveland got a protected first, but also had to take Smith to do it.

DL did better than both.

 

[karl malone]

Re: Carroll

As much as I would've loved to have re-signed him long-term on a reasonable deal, imo not doing so was the correct move as just 1 additional win that season would have likely prevented us from drafting Exum.

Re: Kanter

While the return was poor (especially when considering the fact that Kanter was a recent #3 overall draft pick), you have to not only consider the circumstances but the results as well. The only argument that can be made is that he should have been traded earlier in the season (ie. when Gobert broke out). The FO basically had zero leverage once Kanter publicly demanded a trade & had to decide between something (a late future 1st & a project), nothing (by allowing him to walk), or a disgruntled player on an undeserved long-term max contract.

If there was a better offer available, I'm sure the FO would have taken it, but considering the fact that the trade not only got something (rather than nothing/a bad contract) from their biggest divisional rival & left them with the bad contract in the process, but also opened up minutes & allowed for a player at the same position with greater potential to flourish, the FO made the best that they possibly could have out of a terrible situation.

 

[NAOS]

That's not what I said. I never even said I disagreed with the trade. All I said was that our return wasn't very good. This isn't that difficult.

I noticed you never answered my question about how you've done the math and concluded that we didn't get a "good" return.

We didn't trade the 3rd pick. We traded Enes Kanter. And we traded him just before a new contract that was destined to be bananas.

 

[fishonjazz]

Also, the closest comps as far as trades would have been Dion Waiters and Iman Shumpert. Flawed prospects nearing the end of rookie deals. NY got rid of JR Smith and that was really it... Cleveland got a protected first, but also had to take Smith to do it.

DL did better than both.

Good post right there

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

I think Daryl Morey is the best in the biz. I'd swap for him.

I like him because he guns for the sun when it comes to accumulating talent. But looking at the collective BBIQ, ego, personality, and dedication to winning of the talented players that he has put together is where I am less impressed. Morey seems almost completely unconcerned with team culture.

Houston is like a rich man's Sacramento. Very exotic, but also quixotic.

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

Those of you quitting on Tiborg after three pre-season games on this thread are blowing my mind.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Those of you quitting on Tiborg after three pre-season games on this thread are blowing my mind.

Then you must actually be new to this site and not some alt because jumping on and off bandwagons is the main exercise some of these people get. (Jumping off is the real art form around here, and many of these guys seem to think they'll get some sort of prize if they are the first to start hating on someone or something.)

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

Then you must actually be new to this site and not some alt because jumping on and off bandwagons is the main exercise some of these people get. (Jumping off is the real art form around here, and many of these guys seem to think they'll get some sort of prize if they are the first to start hating on someone or something.)

I see.

Definitely new here. But I've been watching the Jazz since the '87 series against the Lakers when I was 12.