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It's the Brits, Not the Ruskies.....

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So if you check in with Brit news a bit, you will see some strange goings on over there.... the British Foreign Office trying to quash investigation in the Christopher Steele case. As is commonly understood, Christopher Steele was the "former MI6 agent" who worked on the Clinton/Obama/Dem/Mainstream Press smear job to get the dirt on Trump.

As everyone knows, Hillary Clinton "owned" the job as the next President of the United States. Everybody thought that was bank. But she and some of her supporters wanted to make sure nothing could go wrong, and anyways it's always nice to have some dirt on opponents.

Nixon had to step down as Pres because he hired some folks to get the goods on the Dems in 1972, using his own assets/means to do so. Obama/Hillary had the nerve to use officials of the US government on official US payroll do it in criminal operations disregarding many of our most essential laws..... Now, everything you see or hear in the oligarchal media is pure cover-up.

We sure don't have a free press if that's all the news you are willing to follow.

But the news in Britain isn't so solidly "owned", and some folks there are more in the habit of looking a bit deeper under the official story lines.

So, anyway, wealthy Republicans seeking dirt on Trump first hired Fusion GPS (Steele) to get the dirt on Trump.

During the primaries, a website funded by one of Trump’s wealthy Republican critics, Paul Singer, commissioned Fusion to investigate Trump.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/15/how-trump-walked-into-putins-web-luke

When Trump got the nomination, the Dems bought out the Steele operation:

From April, Steele investigated Trump on behalf of the DNC, Fusion’s anonymous client. All Steele knew at first was that the client was a law firm. He had no idea what he would find. He later told David Corn, Washington editor of the magazine Mother Jones: “It started off as a fairly general inquiry.” Trump’s organisation owned luxury hotels around the world. Trump had, as far back as 1987, sought to do real estate deals in Moscow. (from the above Guardian link)

Anyway, the story goes on. The Guardian article is worth reading....

but remember.... Steele was a "former MI6 agent" now running his own company to provide political dirt.

If that were true, why would the British Foreign Office care to quash the court-ordered deposition Steele was required to face?

https://larouchepac.com/20180207/british-have-shown-their-hand

Just to give you a tip on how explosive this topic really is, within the past 24 hours Google has redacted all the references to it coming from British media. Now you see it, now you don't. Yesterday I did the search, today it's gone.... my god.... how desperate our oligarchal media is....
 
Here's a link to a fairly detailed Washington Post version of the events:

https://www.pressreader.com/usa/the-washington-post/20180207/281543701377078

I find it interesting---- and damning---- that former head of MI6 Dearlove was overseeing Steele, and that the dossier was given to Sen. McCain as well.

What you might not know is that Dearlove was responsible for providing false information to support the Bush War in Iraq claiming there were weapons of mass destruction. What you have here is an outcrop of the war crime establishment which has gotten us into serious wars and now is trying to mislead the US into war with Putin's Russia.

@Sirkickyass: Pretty sure you have a different point of view, but let's discuss this thing. I'm pretty set against big wars being fought costing American or anyone's lives for the sake of oligarchic or corporate "territory". Putin has no US Constitution which could effectively remove him from real power. Elitists in the US chaff at our Constitutional restraints on power run amok. Obama and Hillary effectively have ignored the law in many matters while holding office, and the US Constitution. The whole reason our founders wanted to limit government power was to try to keep the excesses which powerful folks are so likely to go for to some kind of acceptable minimum.

Do you have ideas on how to make government officials obey the law or act in the citizens' interests above the dictates of a wealthy or powerful or intellectual elite?

I say if we don't throw the bums out, and enforce our actual laws, we have nobody to blame but ourselves for becoming cannon fodder all across the globe in the vain attempt to give cartel interests exclusive or advantageous access to resources and markets.
 
Sirkickyass said:
You and I don't agree on enough of what the facts are to have a meaningful discussion.
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facts are not logically equivalent with presumptions. yah, I know, in your profession it's quite a trend for judges to gleefully construct their own facts, but, still..... the facts are not the problem between you and I. It's what we want to do with them.
 
So, anyway, Russia has been good to the US historically...... well, under the Czars who wanted to trim the Brit sails a bit. Helped us in the war of 1812, ran interference on the high seas for the North during the Civil War, gave us freakin' Alaska.

An immense frontier with no serfs willing to go homestead Siberia, more or less..... Britain, a tiny little isle, loaded up the ships and more or less took North America and Australia and New Zealand with "useless eaters" fleeing oligarchic autocrats filling up the dungeons with poachers wanting something to eat....

The difference between Russia and the United States consists, most basically, with our claims under Celtic and Anglo-Saxon law to actual rights as human beings which we insisted the nobles could not annul. We staked our claims on the integrity of Sheriffs.... Shire Reefs or Shire Refs if you're of a sporting mind, whom the Kings could not just go around.. Due process of law, trial by juries of our peers (and not of The Peerage) inconvenienced by being hauled outta the alehouses by meddling nobles with complaints.... and hating the bother almost as much as the nobles. Gave a man a shot at being found innocent.

I tried to get Kicky to notice that our Constitution is what makes America different from Russia, and what we must hold fast in the face of politicians like Obama, Hillary, or Trump.
 
So here's some facts Kicky won't touch, but can't honestly deny, regarding MI6 under Dearlove..... the same Dearlove who is making the news today for being the mentor of the lying Brit former MI6 officer who worked on the dumptrump dossier.....

here is a bit about who he is:

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-richard-dearlove-seeking-refuge-from-chilcot

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-bogus-intelligence-until-after-iraq-invasion

the gist? a very clever spook capable of leading us into useless wars... the Iraq war....by telling lies officially.

the concern here is that he is "handling" the attempt to set up war with Russia.
 
Hi babe. Hope this note finds you well....

With approval from Putin, Russian mercenary troops attacked American advisors in Syria last week:

"But what’s clear as vodka is that Putin was willing to risk a large number of his men in the hope they’d kill enough American advisers to make us flee Syria. It didn’t work, but Putin won’t give up. He’s paid a much higher price in Syria than he initially expected, and he wants a return on his investment. He’ll try other ways to drive us out, perhaps using terror attacks to kill Americans.

The Russians are at war with us, and we’re at war with them, but both sides would find an admission inconvenient. So we’ll continue deconflicting flight paths and coordinating boundaries . . . while Putin’s henchmen calculate how best to wound us, from attacking our elections to killing Americans in uniform.":

https://nypost.com/2018/02/13/russians-attacked-american-troops-on-putins-orders/

And, we have another election season coming up. And, wouldn't you know it, well our intelligence chiefs seem to know it, that busy little beaver Vladimir is at it again:

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/thom...-russian-2018-attack-which-trump-still-denies
 
I operate on the general sense (common sense) that we have people who see our interests under attack if anyone else is on the map. doing anything. I question our need, even our right, to dominate everywhere, and see US corporate/elite BIGS as using our military to serve their "interests" specifically, and not American interests, or the issues of human rights.

The map I think is valid on the world stage is a map that recognizes the values of human rights. Russia has come up a notch or two on that, as has China....well at least in some economic sense of opportunity.... but what they really need is limited governance, like we need limited governance. Limited enough to make wars for economic interests unprofitable for the cartels worldwide.

Trump has poked Putin's eye a few times, too. That's what I don't like about the "general" team around him.

WE have folks who are really pushing the Big Bad Russian narrative, for sure.

Putin is rational, and no coward.... I don't think Russian nationalism ever went to bed, from Dostoyevsky to Solzhenitsyn to now. Putin has to stick up for his troops where ever they are. And for Russians where ever they are.

Putin might be in some sense something of a Hillary would have been for us. He profits immensely from the interests he serves, the network of Russian oligarchs. Hillary and Obama, I believe, ran guns and equipment to ISIS that enabled that outfit to oppose Assad, only to become necessarily embarrassed by the genocide that followed. We had to work with Putin to undo that blunder. Putin was making valid noise about how we were buying ISIS oil and funding the expense of ISIS mercenaries in the fight. Trump just stopped doing that, and Putin's boys cleaned up, sorta.

I get it that Putin's Russia seeks to maintain influence in its neighborhood, doing stuff for Iran, even Turkey. China is trying to be influential too, particularly in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I might be crazy, but I notice stuff. Millions of Russian immigrants in Israel, for example. Russia takes care of Israel, probably better than we do, but more subtly. I also see long-time patterns of politics.... Russians working in all the Arab world, with pretty good sense about who they are, exploiting hatred for the Israelis..... It sure as hell runs counter to all our geopolitical schemes. It could make for a sort of counter-argument against Brit geopolitical schemes.... so-so... stands for "same ol' same ol'" in spook lingo.

Then we have Obama handing Iran millions in payola.... well billions, really..... for nothing. Except to match the Ruskie payola trucked in.

Then there's the world's "population bomb" seen by the likes of Bill Gates as the big problem.... the Numero Uno..... some I am sure think we need to do something about that.... even a big war is better than that. So there's that angle to it as well..... how to reduce population, particularly in the third world including Islamic "breeders". I think we can improve the biosphere with better technology, and more people can live better on the scale of say a new "fire", "wheel", and food technological revolution. Sure it might not mean everybody has a car or 0.25 acre yard. Planned communities, even.

The EU and the US are running world-class depopulation schemes.... like bringing millions of refugees 'home' to ghetto camps near "planned non-parenthood clinics" in the West, building up a competent base for a future draft to fight a more general war.... with Russia.... over control of the region..... requires us to do stuff like recognize Sharia law and generally build a basis for competing as more pro-Islamic than Putin/Russia and/or China.

It's Brit geopolitical divide and conquer, bro.

We gotta pick better friends. Stay outta the damn wars. Go back to US Constitutional governance principles. Let the Brits have the cold shoulder, treat other people better.
 
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And I don't think Russians have a fly's weight in US politics. A flea's weight, maybe....but for sure there are thousands of fleas hiding in itchy shorts of a thousand Brits working the CFR ropes in our political circus. Pretty much, someone like Kicky just has to deny any reality to Brit/Am cultural, political, and economic common interests. Forged into specific corporate interests that amount to behemoth proportions that have run the world for over two hundred years.

I have no doubt Brit elites contribute hundreds of millions in dollar value to American political parties, and nobody blinks at it. I have no doubt that Brit "intelligence" and Am "intelligence" have thousands of crossing links.... fascia in Latin terms.... of common purposes. It's what makes the UN the de facto "Front" for the old British Empire. Brits do the planning, we pay for it, and enforce it militarily.

Like I said.

We need better friends.... well....fewer international schemes.....
 
The LaRouche groupies were noticed on the streets of New York by the Russkies in the 1980s, and have given them a good press. The Chinese noticed them a bit later. The Bushkies have been on their tail trying to shut them down since the 1970s, and the Brits' own Churchill vowed to destroy them in the 1950s. I think Lyndon LaRouche was in India right after WWII.

I dunno..... blaming all the world's woes on the intellectual precepts of the British Empire.... probably didn't make an American of Quebec French ancestry very likeable to the Prime Minister.

I myself had a communist buddy carpooling to work with me for a few years. I think we covered everything. He never did get the point I tried to make about property ownership being a fundamental human right, essential to preserving the Right to Life. I did get his point that all the failures of communism are justly attributable to Statists supported by Capitalists through covert cash operations. From the gitgo..... Karl Marx was supported and paid to produce Das Kapital and on to the Manifesto, and Lenin was given a train through Germany during WWI nonstop to head the Russian Revolution.

So anyway, I call BS on "communism" or it's revised apparition, "progressivism". It's just Brit puppetry, in a word.

But I thought it interesting to read the LPAC analysis of current events:

https://larouchepac.com/20180219/ro...ssian-trolls-indictment-scams-american-people

The short version is that the Mueller team rehashed old news long known about the Russians, undoubtably by Hillary herself. The report is a scam, a "nothingburger".

But the elements of our power elite who want to run with this will keep right on keepin' on.
 
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