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It's Time to Move Sap To The Bench

NAOS said:
Since Al is a "known quantity", would you like to characterize him with respect to playoff and championship contention? How about your feelings regarding his benching?
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The difference with Al is that he can create/get his own shot, but obviously that comes with a huge down side. I would rather keep Millsap than Al because of the later's downside. With Paul, he works well in a system where he's utilized or where he's a 3rd/4th option and/or more of a clean up guy.

Al's upside to scoring is great, but he doesn't make anyone else around him better...AT ALL.
 
PKM said:
No way we'll ever see Al sitting meaningful minutes on the bench, barring injury.
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And yet, there's been this obsession over Paul's ego for not necessarily wanting to come off the bench when a worse player gets such a status.
 
NUMBERICA said:
And yet, there's been this obsession over Paul's ego for not necessarily wanting to come off the bench when a worse player gets such a status.
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But Al off the bench is still just Al, he'll get the ball down low and take his jump shot. Sap off the bench creates a scary good second unit, imo. Sap can be part of a much more dynamic squad.
 
In a vacuum, I'm not opposed to having Millsap come off the bench. In fact, I hope that is what his eventual role is on this team. But this roster's path is to be a team that runs harder and faster than any other team (Is it any mystery that our bench suddenly knows how to play in transition and the starters can never make it work?) and runs a real offense and there's one player that guards the bridge and he happens to make the most money and play close to the most minutes, and takes the most shots.

That player has improved his ball movement, and I'm not sure Corbin knows how to implement an offense, but he has one player that knows the offense he wish he knew and knows it in his sleep.

Anyway, back to the point, this is about Millsap vs Al, not Millsap vs Favors, and you know my answer.
 
I think Millsap can be a starter on almost any low-rank playoff contender. I don't think he is starting-caliber on a team contending for a championship. I have no trouble moving him to the bench in favor of Favors.
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Sure, 50% of the time he is. Everyone complains about how inconsistent CJ was or AK was or Hayward is, but Paul -in my eyes- is just as inconsistent, and is undersized for his position to boot. Add to that that his production went down when he was moved to the three and the answer becomes the bench or gone. Finally, remember he's going to demand a 13 to 15 mil contract at the end of the season and I really think that there's no hope for him to get us to the promised land.
 
NUMBERICA said:
In a vacuum, I'm not opposed to having Millsap come off the bench. In fact, I hope that is what his eventual role is on this team. But this roster's path is to be a team that runs harder and faster than any other team (Is it any mystery that our bench suddenly knows how to play in transition and the starters can never make it work?) and runs a real offense and there's one player that guards the bridge and he happens to make the most money and play close to the most minutes, and takes the most shots.

That player has improved his ball movement, and I'm not sure Corbin knows how to implement an offense, but he has one player that knows the offense he wish he knew and knows it in his sleep.

Anyway, back to the point, this is about Millsap vs Al, not Millsap vs Favors, and you know my answer.
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The bench does run a little better and it plays better team D, but it can't run an offense at all. The bench offense is even more inept than the 1st unit offense.
 
cctrackstar said:
Sure, 50% of the time he is. Everyone complains about how inconsistent CJ was or AK was or Hayward is, but Paul -in my eyes- is just as inconsistent, and is undersized for his position to boot. Add to that that his production went down when he was moved to the three and the answer becomes the bench or gone. Finally, remember he's going to demand a 13 to 15 mil contract at the end of the season and I really think that there's no hope for him to get us to the promised land.
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I'm guessing the inconsistency with Millsap hurts the team far less than what CJ did. Millsap disappears in the scoring column; CJ chucked. Millsap doesn't take shots that aren't there for him and does other things to help out. Still though, his erratic scoring is hard to game plan around.

If anyone knows of a good metric to measure this stuff by then I'd appreciate you sharing it. Last offseason, I put numbers into a spreadsheet by hand --that's a bitch.
 
billyshelby said:
The bench does run a little better and it plays better team D, but it can't run an offense at all. The bench offense is even more inept than the 1st unit offense.
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From my observational point (on my couch), every time the bench came in during the clippers games we stopped runs and went on our own runs. More than a few times throughout the games I've seen the bench bring the Jazz back into it. Do my eyes deceive me?
 
NAOS said:
Since Al is a "known quantity", would you like to characterize him with respect to playoff and championship contention? How about your feelings regarding his benching?
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I don't think Kanter is as ready to start as Favors is, and a Favors-Millsap starting tandem doesn't have a strong post defender.

Of the top 3 teams in each conference right now, Jefferson might or might not start to Atlanta over Pachulia, but certainly none of the others. I don't see Millsap starting for any of them. Jefferson could certainly start on many other playoff teams.
 
m3at said:
From my observational point (on my couch), every time the bench came in during the clippers games we stopped runs and went on our own runs. More than a few times throughout the games I've seen the bench bring the Jazz back into it. Do my eyes deceive me?
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When the bench can run, as it did in Clippers Part I, it looks great. When it can't, like Clippers Part II, it's atrocious. But in neither game could they run competent half court sets. In a few games they've gone on exciting runs mostly with the break and rebounding like Clips, Orlando. But against GS, Miami, Indy, or any team with a semblance of a team defensive concept, they get schooled because they have no post option whatsoever.
 
m3at said:
From my observational point (on my couch), every time the bench came in during the clippers games we stopped runs and went on our own runs. More than a few times throughout the games I've seen the bench bring the Jazz back into it. Do my eyes deceive me?
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IN the few games I've seen, the runs are coming from fast break buckets, not running an offense. billyshelby specifically referred to running an offense.
 
Gyp Rosetti said:
You could start Lebron at 3, Millsap at the 4, and Bosh at the 5.
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While I don't follow the Heat closely, I've heard they're very happy with James starting at the four. He has the height and strength, he will make that move eventually.
 
One Brow said:
While I don't follow the Heat closely, I've heard they're very happy with James starting at the four. He has the height and strength, he will make that move eventually.
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This doesn't mean they were unhappy with him at the 3, the position in which he's played 98% of his career.
 
The foursome log jam was never going to last, but it was also never going to be solved by management. They were happy to let it play out and let one of the players remove himself by injury or attitude.

It appears to me that Milsap, with a little help from Corbin, is being removed from the competition. Management will have to act, it won't be long now.

FTR--I'm not sure how I feel about it.
 
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