It's very hard to indict or impeach a sitting president...

[LogGrad98]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/indicting-president-legal-scholars-say-obstacles-high-181738602.html

At the outset, even assuming for the sake of argument that Trump had obstructed justice — i.e. committed a federal crime — it seems most likely that a sitting U.S. president cannot even be indicted.
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Neither the Constitution nor the Supreme Court has provided a conclusive answer, but the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel decided on its own in 1973 (amid the Watergate scandal) that a sitting president cannot be indicted because it would interfere with his or ability to perform the actions required of the office. The department reaffirmed this belief in a memorandum for the attorney general in 2000.

Now it’s true the president is a different constitutional creature, but the process is largely the same,” he said. “What is clear is that we all agree the best practice is to impeach and remove a president before you prosecute.”
Impeachment is a high hurdle, especially when the president’s own party controls Congress. On the other hand, the impeachment process does not include the due process protections afforded in the criminal justice system. The president’s lawyers have to be aware that evidence collected during impeachment can later be used during the prosecution.
Though Comey’s testimony hurt Trump politically, Turley does not think it pushed the needle any closer toward a criminal charge and quite possibly undermined Comey’s potential role as witness by acknowledging that he leaked the infamous “Comey memo” to the press via a friend who teaches at Columbia Law School).

Found this article interesting. It appears to be pretty damn hard to oust a president.

 

[Deleted member 5000]

Yall want to know something? The president isnt nearly as powerful as its put on. Hes just an actor and more or less forced into every decision.

Just there to appease the masses and put on the notion that the people have a say in the matter. There are many in government with higher security clearance and don't move out every 4 years. Ron Paul was the biggest threat to the snakes since jfk. Trump isnt a threat to them, only the media put on that persona to keep Rand Paul out.

 

[Red]

To the best of my knowledge, a sitting Prsident cannot be indicted for a crime. A Special Prosecuter can only recommend impeachment. Since the body that starts impeachment, the House, and the body that votes to aquit or convict, the Senate, are both controlled by the GOP, I doubt we would see impeachment based on what we know up to this point in the various investigations.

Interestingly, it was the GOP that led impeachment proceedings against Nixon, who was obviously a Republican.

However, we now live in an era of extreme partisan politics. We saw this in the Obama administration, and we see it in the Trump administration. At least from where I sit, today's GOP is nothing like the GOP of the Nixon era. Now, it's difficult for any of us, myself included, to speak of what's going on in our country, in a fashion that is not partisan. Hence I can say today's GOP leadership will put party above country. The GOP of the Nixon era was able to put country above party.

Of course, I do not expect Trump supporters to agree with what I just said regarding today's GOP. But, we can perhaps all agree that partisanship at the level it is now has made healthy governance all but impossible for quite a few years now. Hands across the isle has truly become a thing of the past, and it is no small wonder that the American people think as poorly of Congress as they do.

 

[Red]

Obviously, a change in the makeup of Congress following the 2018 elections can alter the likelihood of impeachment. Or not. Because the other factor that can change the equation is how the investigations into both Russian interference, as well as possible obstruction of justice by the present administration actually unfolds going forward. Mueller's investigation has only just begun, and he is apparently expanding that investigation to include obstruction of justice as well as Russian interference, which started this whole matter. But simply indicting a President with a criminal offense is apparently not possible.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Only johnson and clinton where ever impeached!


but hillary clinton goes around lying on tv that nixon was impeached!

 

[b_line]

Only johnson and clinton where ever impeached!


but hillary clinton goes around lying on tv that nixon was impeached!

You are just as guilty of leaving details out as she is. Nixon's impeachment and removal from office was inevitable, and thus he resigned. Impeachment proceedings had started and progressed, but he resigned before the end. Clinton was impeached and then censured, not removed from office.

 

[DutchJazzer]

You are just as guilty of leaving details out as she is. Nixon's impeachment and removal from office was inevitable, and thus he resigned. Impeachment proceedings had started and progressed, but he resigned before the end. Clinton was impeached and then censured, not removed from office.

yes because even though he was a criminal he had the decency to not blame it on anyone, and just step back!

he WAS NOT IMPEACHED!!!!!!!!!!! that's a FACT!


i just stated a fact!


sorry that facts triggered you.

 

[Ron Mexico]

yes because even though he was a criminal he had the decency to not blame it on anyone, and just step back!

he WAS NOT IMPEACHED!!!!!!!!!!! that's a FACT!


i just stated a fact!


sorry that facts triggered you.

Sounds like our resident snowflake got triggered. That's a lot of exclamation marks and capitalization.

Such a sensitive soul. We have all been trying hard lately to be nicer to you so you get less triggered so I apologize that life is so hard for you lately. How's your Sunday? Do anything fun with your friends or family?

Maybe you should stay out of general thread for awhile? It might be too much for you to handle.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Sounds like our resident snowflake got triggered. That's a lot of exclamation marks and capitalization.

Such a sensitive soul. We have all been trying hard lately to be nicer to you so you get less triggered so I apologize that life is so hard for you lately. How's your Sunday? Do anything fun with your friends or family?

Maybe you should stay out of general thread for awhile? It might be too much for you to handle.

lol

facts don't trigger me

just called him out on his lies

fact Clinton got impeached
fact nixon's proceedings started but before their was a ruling he resigned
fact: clinton lied about Nixon being impeached

 

[Ron Mexico]

lol

facts don't trigger me

just calle dhim out on his lies

fact lcinon got impeached
fact nixon's proceedings started but before their was a ruling he resigned
fact: clinton lied about Nixon being impeached

You sounded pretty worked up and bothered. Normal people and posts don't use that many and capital words..

 

[DutchJazzer]

You sounded pretty worked up and bothered. Normal people and posts don't use that many and capital words..

naha bro, i dont get worked up anyymore. it is super funny how people are on a witchhunt.

 

[Miggs]

yes because even though he was a criminal he had the decency to not blame it on anyone, and just step back!

he WAS NOT IMPEACHED!!!!!!!!!!! that's a FACT!


i just stated a fact!


sorry that facts triggered you.

Yeah, Nixon was just outright honest about everything.

 

[Miggs]

naha bro, i dont get worked up anyymore. it is super funny how people are on a witchhunt.

Or in Ron's case, he was after you and on a bitchhunt.

 

[b_line]

yes because even though he was a criminal he had the decency to not blame it on anyone, and just step back!

he WAS NOT IMPEACHED!!!!!!!!!!! that's a FACT!


i just stated a fact!


sorry that facts triggered you.

LOL. I am the triggered one? Is your political party that bad that you feel like defending Nixon is a good thing?

 

[Ron Mexico]

naha bro, i dont get worked up anyymore. it is super funny how people are on a witchhunt.

No worries, you are well known as the most sensitive poster on this board and get worked up easily, so it was a safe assumption based on what you wrote. Also I'm guessing you don't know what this ! means and definitely don't know what this means !!! I guess.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Yeah, Nixon was just outright honest about everything.

did i say honest. i clearly said decency!

 

[DutchJazzer]

LOL. I am the triggered one? Is your political party that bad that you feel like defending Nixon is a good thing?

don't do political parties. dont vote. never voted. and prolly never will

their is only left tyranny and liberty!

i am a libertarian! minarchist bordelrine anarcho capitalist!


political parties are for people who want to force **** on others. i believe in absolute liberty.

i dont force **** on others

 

[babe]

Dutch, your profession of liberty is flawed, a fly in the ointment, so to speak. You take too much fun being contrarian.

I might be more of a contrarian, even, but I hardly think it's fun. I think it's a necessary effort, a sort of life's work, trying to save the intellectuals from cooking in their own juices.

Dostoyevsky was a Russian writer of the mid 1800-s to 1880s or so, but he saw the intellectuals coming back from Paris and a few other cities of Western Europe with alarm. He saw some of the early Marxists with their soul-less aspirations to change everything. He wrote about them as "Possessed", as people with no roots in human goodness. The Russian word for his book on that theme is actually "Devils".

Well, his personal effects at his death included a very worn New Testament, with lots of underlines and border comments. It showed the basis of his reasoning, his belief in a Christian moral schema. Like Solzhenitsyn, he saw the ordinary long-suffering Russian peasant as somehow a glorious inspiration. The ability to bear with adversity has always been among the virtues extolled by Biblical writers, from the time of Job through the life of Paul.

The real hope for mankind, as seen from a Biblical perspective, has always been God. Take God out and we have nothing but our little petty ideals of social justice, and no matter what political measures we can take, we cannot really achieve anything worthwhile.

People today who think that removing Trump from office will accomplish something, can only make things worse because their next icon will be even worse. They have nothing they can do to make people good, and politicians will do worse and worse until the people vote the bums outta office, as they did this last election.

Do anything that has the effect of nullifying the last election, and more and more Americans will see the corruption as defiant of their plain choice. The less they will believe the media, the less they will vote for the RINOs or Dems.

If anyone can't see that fact, I have nothing to offer, but will watch it all happen like I'm telling it.

 

[DutchJazzer]

aah naah just giving my opinion.

warning them of things to come.in a few post on this forum i wanred them that they hated romney. but they called hims exist and racist. now they got trump they wish for romney, sooner or later they will wish for trump and say he was better

 

[Red]

Lol, well I did suggest in the Trump fires Comey thread that Dutch wasn't using enough exclamation marks, making it hard to know if he was in his default "raging lunatic" mode or merely mildly distempered.

Yes, the impeachment process against Nixon were formally initiated on 2/6/1974, and on 7/27, 7/29, and 7/30, the House Judiciary Committee approved three articles of impeachment:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_process_against_Richard_Nixon

But, of course it's accurate to say he was not impeached. "Your President is not a crook" and he resigned.

Mueller's appointment of Michael Deeben is the reason people are assuming Mueller is serious about looking into obstruction of justice:

https://www.axios.com/mueller-adds-muscle-for-russia-investigation-2439721714.html

But, Trump can fire Mueller, and neither Rosenstein during hearings last Wed., nor one of Trump's lawyers on Sunday would rule out that possibility:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-...ring-special-counsel-in-russia-probe-mueller/