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Ivory Homes Removing Old People

Hey guys. What's uh... what's an STG?

Anyway.

Is everything excusable in the name of free enterprise? Maybe saving for a house was displaced by the deceased spouse fighting cancer for ten years, or because going to Harvard or MIT or whatever wasn't possible for them but damn sure was gonna be for their kids, or the nest egg disappeared with the rise and fall of some financial bubble or another. You can't blame those folks for thinking they'd found some semblance of stability to live under for what years remain, and then expressing anxiety at strong signs they are about to lose it.

As for Ivory Homes, they really have the right to do whatever, but come on. Shame on them. It would be cool if this story were instead about Ivory Homes leaving lease rates alone and protecting the peace of mind of senior citizen residents, instead of pursuing the potential of greater profit. I know we live in a capitalist society, and progress would be stymied if our whole country functioned this way, but... I don't know. Maybe Ivory shouldn't have gotten into the business of providing housing to seniors on fixed incomes if a future option of pulling the rug out from under relatively helpless old people didn't make them feel just the tiniest bit disgusting.


Man, pos rep incomming, but there are some caveats. First, these seniors signed leases that didn't protect them from rent increses. Did they not expect rent increses? Did their fixed income planning not include inflation?

This is coming from a guy who burned up all his retirement savings and more and at ~37... might, maybe, if no more shoes fall, be able to start slowly builing it all back up again. I don't look down my nose at these folks, just asking if they are really unculpable?
 
Man, pos rep incomming, but there are some caveats. First, these seniors signed leases that didn't protect them from rent increses. Did they not expect rent increses? Did their fixed income planning not include inflation?

This is coming from a guy who burned up all his retirement savings and more and at ~37... might, maybe, if no more shoes fall, be able to start slowly builing it all back up again. I don't look down my nose at these folks, just asking if they are really unculpable?

No, I didn't intend to make it sound like I think some-- most?-- of these people didn't make their own bed. I mean, they're living on fixed incomes precisely because they didn't/couldn't think about things like planning for inflation, etc. What I don't like is writing them off as lower life forms who deserve what they're getting. And I guess if I'm shaking my righteously indignant fist at anything, it's this possibility that Ivory has an ulterior motive, raising lease rates not because they see a need to, but because they know it will force the hand of their current residents.

When the only real barrier to progress is showing compassion to people who may or may not have been able to plan better and now have very little recourse, decisions like this are just really foul to me.

Thanks for the pos rep. I'll share a beer with you when we're neighbors in the fixed income housing 30 years from now.
 
The only posting I take issue with is thought patrol enforcing groupthink and the two posters trying to be nothing but irritating and have no art to their trolling (hh is a plague). Jackpotting might get out of hand at times but so does everyone else at times.


And no, I didn't really think you want to change others styles. Was just pointing something out.

I think you hit the nail on the head. I originally left the forum due to the incessant trolling, but at least at that time it was recognized as counter-productive behavior. Now the trolling has moved mainstream and there are punishments for not toeing the line and taking the trolling "like a man".

I also agree with PKM that we come here to escape normal life now and then. But when we come here just to be trolled over and over it gets old very fast. Life has enough rough spots without dealing with grade-school bullies during "down-time".

I am sure I have come off far more defensive than usual, or than I should have, but that is largely because I have felt pretty much nothing but attacked, with an attitude of "take it or get negged". I might be reading it all wrong, but that has been my perception since I came back. I don't even have the time I had in the past to spend here, I was just looking for a nice diversion that wasn't as focused as some other forums I go to (check out some online FPS forums...good luck getting any topic besides who has the best KDR or what guns are overpowered in those), where I could get into some different discussions to take my mind off of things I have been through over the past year and a half. Kinda sad to see it was just what it was when I left. Bordie really is right, the singers may have changed spots, but the tune is still the same.

The biggest thing is there really seems to be an edge to the ribbing that largely wasn't here before, regardless of who is involved. I haven't really posted much in the past couple of weeks, mostly GIFs and such, and just observed it happening. Poking fun is fine and all, but when it comes with a threat, and relies on being outright hurtful, it tends to get a sharper response, imo, and kills the overall camaraderie of the group.

But I disagree with Stoked. I don't think it is as much an even divide as one side, or group, exerting the pressure and everyone else, mostly individually, trying to figure out what they are all missing. I have seen it in posts from posters that don't even normally participate much. That is where the Lord of the Flies comparison comes in. Some people come here expecting a fairly normal forum, and get heavy trolling, threats, and gang treatment, and show confusion, which is viewed as weakness, so it gets worse, and anyone who calls anyone out on it gets attacked for it. Pretty fair comparison, imo.

Anyway, I'm sorry if I rubbed anyone the wrong way. I am just really really tired of life in general, and I guess I needed an outlet, and this wasn't the right place for it, or the right time, or both maybe. I will just back off and remove one more obstacle. Take care.
 
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I haven't seen anything like threats or whatever, but I may also just blow past it.
Anyway, I know everyone is just having fun and there's nothing malicious or whatever involved. Does it go too far? Maybe.. that's an opinion that each has the right to own.

I certainly don't want to hurt anyone's feelings and definitely don't wish to run anyone off (except ncoloradojazz and carolinajazz). I've met the majority of the active posters on this site and didn't find a single person I didn't like. In fact, everyone is way cooler in person.

On that note, I got a text tonight from someone who knows you/you've met. They basically said, "I've met Loggrad and he's a good dude.. leave him alone and treat him well or I'll punch ur nuts." That wasn't the text verbatim, but it's the gist. I assure you I wasn't singling anyone out and got no beef.. the thought of it actually sounds hilarious. Internet beef... it's what's for dinner.

All good with me.

#reachingacrossthestokedcreatedpartylines
 
"Logg is gone? Finally! My arch rep-nemesis finally got the hint that he can't step to this." -- 2012
 
I think you hit the nail on the head. I originally left the forum due to the incessant trolling, but at least at that time it was recognized as counter-productive behavior. Now the trolling has moved mainstream and there are punishments for not toeing the line and taking the trolling "like a man".

I also agree with PKM that we come here to escape normal life now and then. But when we come here just to be trolled over and over it gets old very fast. Life has enough rough spots without dealing with grade-school bullies during "down-time".

I am sure I have come off far more defensive than usual, or than I should have, but that is largely because I have felt pretty much nothing but attacked, with an attitude of "take it or get negged". I might be reading it all wrong, but that has been my perception since I came back. I don't even have the time I had in the past to spend here, I was just looking for a nice diversion that wasn't as focused as some other forums I go to (check out some online FPS forums...good luck getting any topic besides who has the best KDR or what guns are overpowered in those), where I could get into some different discussions to take my mind off of things I have been through over the past year and a half. Kinda sad to see it was just what it was when I left. Bordie really is right, the singers may have changed spots, but the tune is still the same.

The biggest thing is there really seems to be an edge to the ribbing that largely wasn't here before, regardless of who is involved. I haven't really posted much in the past couple of weeks, mostly GIFs and such, and just observed it happening. Poking fun is fine and all, but when it comes with a threat, and relies on being outright hurtful, it tends to get a sharper response, imo, and kills the overall camaraderie of the group.

But I disagree with Stoked. I don't think it is as much an even divide as one side, or group, exerting the pressure and everyone else, mostly individually, trying to figure out what they are all missing. I have seen it in posts from posters that don't even normally participate much. That is where the Lord of the Flies comparison comes in. Some people come here expecting a fairly normal forum, and get heavy trolling, threats, and gang treatment, and show confusion, which is viewed as weakness, so it gets worse, and anyone who calls anyone out on it gets attacked for it. Pretty fair comparison, imo.

Anyway, I'm sorry if I rubbed anyone the wrong way. I am just really really tired of life in general, and I guess I needed an outlet, and this wasn't the right place for it, or the right time, or both maybe. I will just back off and remove one more obstacle. Take care.

You make some really good points, log.

The issue I see with the trolling is that the Jazz have been wayward so long that serious posters are siding with the fanatics (for better/natural reasons), so there's no backlash on the dickbaggery. We've gotten to the point where we find ourselves siding in mass with the posters everyone loves to hate. I blame it on Greg Miller's goatee curse, tbh.



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If you leave again tho, I'm going to wish a thousand kicks from PKM's mystery text lover into your crotch.
 
Srs question...

Who are the "trolls" on the site that y'all keep talking about?

The only ones that effect the readability of the board (so no carolinajazz, ncoloradojazz etc) are... HeavenHarris (hilarious. One of my fav posters) Hotnickkk (goes from hilarious to horrible to hilarious to horrible). I don't see anyone besides those two that really change the board or have the ability to derail a thread unless you are including me or PKM in the "troll" group.

@Loggrad and @Franklin if y'all are bugged by me, I can assure you I aint trollin or trying to post in a certain way or have a certain schtick or anything like that.
 
You make some really good points, log.

The issue I see with the trolling is that the Jazz have been wayward so long that serious posters are siding with the fanatics (for better/natural reasons), so there's no backlash on the dickbaggery. We've gotten to the point where we find ourselves siding in mass with the posters everyone loves to hate. I blame it on Greg Miller's goatee curse, tbh.



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If you leave again tho, I'm going to wish a thousand kicks from PKM's mystery text lover into your crotch.

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Anyway, I'm sorry if I rubbed anyone the wrong way. I am just really really tired of life in general, and I guess I needed an outlet, and this wasn't the right place for it, or the right time, or both maybe. I will just back off and remove one more obstacle. Take care.

This place would be the worse for your absence.
 
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