Jackpotting Around - Episode 29 - Draft SZN with Cy

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Unfortunately he has an even worse defensive rating coming off the bench vs as a starter.

The schedule has been very hard since he become a bench player. Every game has been a playoff team I believe.

 

[Elizah Huge]

The schedule has been very hard since he become a bench player. Every game has been a playoff team I believe.

That’s true but he’s also guarding worse players off the bench, no?

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Unfortunately he has an even worse defensive rating coming off the bench vs as a starter.

Effort hasn't translated to good defense yet, but it's a start and shows that he is coachable. Also coming off the bench means he plays less with Kessler.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Fleming playing right now if anyone is interested in tuning in. Has 8 points and is currently 2/3 from 3 with 5 minutes left in the first half.

 

[KqWIN]

That’s true but he’s also guarding worse players off the bench, no?

Defensive rating is not really an individual stat.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Fleming had a transition breakaway dunk and the announcer said "even the scouts got up and are clapping"

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Fleming finishes the half 3/5 from 3 with 13 points

 

[Jaanipoeg]

Great pod, really balanced and intelligent insight from Cy. I have no interest in keeping up with the draft player thread here because it moves too fast so this was nice to have

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Brad Stevens is at the Saint Joes game watching Fleming

 

[fishonjazz]

I mean did you hear what Andy said last episode? He said a Keyonte deal would look similar to the Ochai trade.

Keyonte + 20 for 8 isn’t outlandish at all. With the caveat of someone we really like falling there like Tre Johnson or Kasparas Jakucionis, etc.

Is one trade looking similar to another supposed to improve the appearance of the trade?
I always like or dislike a trade based the trade that im assessing. Past trades have no bearing for me. (fwiw I think i remember not liking the Ochai trade either lol)

 

[Elizah Huge]

Is one trade looking similar to another supposed to improve the appearance of the trade?
I always like or dislike a trade based the trade that im assessing. Past trades have no bearing for me. (fwiw I think i remember not liking the Ochai trade either lol)

Well, my point was my trade idea is a lot better than the Ochai trade package lol.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Defensive rating is not really an individual stat.

No other Jazz guards are within 5 points or in the bottom-25. It’s just interesting to me.

 

[fishonjazz]

Well, my point was my trade idea is a lot better than the Ochai trade package lol.

Well ya due to keyonte being a better prospect than ochai and the pick the jazz give up being better than KO. They are two different trades.

 

[NAOS_pt2]

If I could send out Keyonte and a 1st and get back Kasparas, I'm doing that. Especially with the emergence of Collier.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Fleming finishes with another 4/8 from 3 game. 23 points.

 

[NUMBERICA]

If I could send out Keyonte and a 1st and get back Kasparas, I'm doing that. Especially with the emergence of Collier.

Absolute no brainer and it’s not a dig at Keyonte to say so.

 

[KqWIN]

No other Jazz guards are within 5 points or in the bottom-25. It’s just interesting to me.

Just clarifying the stat when comparing starter/bench. I've been saying Key is one of the worst defenders in the league and hasn't improved, but defensive rating is just the team's defensive rating when that guy is on the court. When you shift from starter to bench, the difference isn't likely to be because of individual play but instead different teammates that he shares the court with.

 

[fishonjazz]

Absolute no brainer and it’s not a dig at Keyonte to say so.

I would be curious to know how good Kasparas would look on a team with the same goals that this current jazz team has this season.

I still think Key has all star potential. Plus we give another first rounder.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Absolute no brainer and it’s not a dig at Keyonte to say so.

If Kas is there at 8 it's because he finishes out the year poorly and his efficiency and turnovers continue to be a concern. Kas is also a poor defender.

I'm not sure I would be willing to give up a guy who has shown real potential in the actual NBA for someone with some of the same concerns, who only might end up being better. AND for taking that risk I also have to give up a first.

FWIW, Kas is still 3rd on my board for me, and I believe in him. I don't think there is any way he'll be there at 8 unless he totally bombs the rest of the season.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I would be curious to know how good Kasparas would look on a team with the same goals that this current jazz team has this season.

I still think Key has all star potential. Plus we give another first rounder.

I’m not sure we’re all talking about the same thing. Is the idea the Wolves pick this year, Keyonte, AND another 1st? Cuz I don’t do that.