It requires Olynyk and Jerebko to want to come to Utah for whatever it would take to match salaries so the trade would go through.
Jae Crowder
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It requires Olynyk and Jerebko to want to come to Utah for whatever it would take to match salaries so the trade would go through.
Hayward for Crowder sets up a cool 2017-8 narrative. What if Hayward falls apart in the new system (he will struggle at first) and Crowder flourishes with the Jazz. I know, I'm dreaming.
Is any team (with cap room) going to give up major assets for 1-year of Bradley? (maybe). And then if Celtics don't get assets for Bradley, they live with him for another year and let him walk. Whereas Crowder is crowded out with Hayward/ Tatum. Crowder must go -- he is clearly a problem if he stays.
The potential "deal breaker" is Ainge wanting too much for Crowder. I think a protected first needs to be in the deal from his perspective. Crowder's awesome contract boosts his trade value A LOT.
Getting Traded
Banned
I don't get why we have to give up anything for Crowder. First of all, the Celts need to get rid of his salary. Second, he wants to be traded. So we're doing the Celts a favor, not the other way around. Sure, he could be dealt elsewhere if Danny wants to be a prick about it, but whichever, the Celts need a team to do them a favor so they can sign Gordon.
As a Celtics fan I hope this works out and you guys get Crowder. I think it's fair to say that the Jazz fans deserve something in return for the Hayward loss. I want to give you guys an idea of what you are getting with Jae, aside from the numbers.
Crowder built his reputation in Boston with tenacious defense and effort. He consistently improved his shot over the past few years and had an awesome regular season. The only concern we have in Boston is that he seemed to lose some of his edge this year. Sometimes it felt like he settled for jumpers and didn't attack closeouts aggressively after the All-Star break. Jae has never been a great at driving to the hoop but he was certainly more opportunistic prior to this season. He had a 26 game stretch from February-March where he only shot 32% from 3. His shooting was also wildly inconsistent in the playoffs. The numbers ultimately looked okay but he only shot 34% from 3 in the postseason, with two of his better shooting performances coming in garbage time of blowout losses to the Cavs.
All in all Jae Crowder would an excellent addition to help you with the grind of an 82 game regular season. The advanced metrics always show that we were better with him on the court regardless of his inconsistent shooting. Part of me is worried that his contract situation is bothering him though. He is worth so much more than 6 million and his opportunity to get paid is a long way away. With that being said, if you get a motivated Crowder then I'm sure every Jazz fan will fall in love with his game. You can pencil in 13-15 PPG on relatively low volume to go along with great team defense. Gobert's rim protection should allow him to play even more aggressively on the perimeter.
Crowder built his reputation in Boston with tenacious defense and effort. He consistently improved his shot over the past few years and had an awesome regular season. The only concern we have in Boston is that he seemed to lose some of his edge this year. Sometimes it felt like he settled for jumpers and didn't attack closeouts aggressively after the All-Star break. Jae has never been a great at driving to the hoop but he was certainly more opportunistic prior to this season. He had a 26 game stretch from February-March where he only shot 32% from 3. His shooting was also wildly inconsistent in the playoffs. The numbers ultimately looked okay but he only shot 34% from 3 in the postseason, with two of his better shooting performances coming in garbage time of blowout losses to the Cavs.
All in all Jae Crowder would an excellent addition to help you with the grind of an 82 game regular season. The advanced metrics always show that we were better with him on the court regardless of his inconsistent shooting. Part of me is worried that his contract situation is bothering him though. He is worth so much more than 6 million and his opportunity to get paid is a long way away. With that being said, if you get a motivated Crowder then I'm sure every Jazz fan will fall in love with his game. You can pencil in 13-15 PPG on relatively low volume to go along with great team defense. Gobert's rim protection should allow him to play even more aggressively on the perimeter.
Getting Traded
Banned
What's fair is fair, but even if we get Crowder it doesn't compensate. The Jazz will need to build on what they have. What might compensate is if Favors and Burks can recover from their injuries and return to form -- Hayward's rise coincided with their decline, and once they did return to the lineup though not 100 percent, the way Snyder retooled the offense to feature Gordon, put them at a disadvantage. Also, Mitchell is likely going to be the steal of the draft, which also will help.
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JAZZGASM
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If we can give a couple 2nd rounders or even a first it will be worth it. Not to mention, we'd also pick up a $24M trade exception, so we'd have flexibility to sign someone else, or trade the exception for another pick to make up for the pick we gave the celtics.
I really like Crowder.
I really like Crowder.
Magic Spray
Well-Known Member
Fairness has nothing to do with this. I do not expect the Jazz to get anything from the Celtics. Ainge/Haywood are demonstrably selfish and craven in a business where that mostly gets rewarded. It is a fool's paradise to think that the Jazz are owed anything.
billyshelby
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It's not about doing favors. Ainge has a dilemma. He has to dump Bradley, Smart, or Crowder onto one of the few teams with cap space (or who can create it) so he doesn't take salary back. Bradley (UFA) and Smart (RFA) are tougher because it's hard to believe anybody will offer a first for a guy they have to pay handsomely after next season. Crowder has more value, but finding a 1st for him is still an uphill battle, especially when everyone knows that they're desperate to unload.
I'd say the chances are still better than 50/50 he finds a taker that isn't us, but the window is quickly closing. If he can't get that deal, then the S&T might be the lesser of evils from his bargaining position.
I'd say the chances are still better than 50/50 he finds a taker that isn't us, but the window is quickly closing. If he can't get that deal, then the S&T might be the lesser of evils from his bargaining position.
Getting Traded
Banned
Why are other posters being so dumb about this? We hold the bargaining chips not the Celts. To top it off, I bet Crowder would prefer to go to the Jazz over other teams since his father played here and also because he is angry over Hayward acquisition and he will relish playing against him when the Jazz who are also anxious to face him play the Celts.
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JAZZGASM
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How do the Jazz hold the bargaining chips. There are other teams that would be interested in what the C's have to trade. However, the Jazz are in the unique position where they can get a lot more back for whatever they send out for Crowder due to a S&T trade with Hayward, which will provide the Jazz with a $24M trade exception that we can use to get another asset. The question is if Ainge will give up Crowder for a reasonable amount under the circumstances.
I just want Ainge to hurry up and make up his damn mind. He has to have a decent amount of offers on the board.
That's why he isn't, he can wait to see if anyone blinks, might get something extra thrown on the table for being patient. Ruthless *******.
or pull ****ing hayward and don't make decision anytime soon
NAOS
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Pastramiking
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I would like him if it's a cheap deal. I don't think he can play the 3 but he would be a solid 10 to 15 minute backup at the 4.