Game Thread Jan 24, 2022 07:00PM MT: Jazz at Suns

[Jingled]

I refuse to believe that Ingles is just cooked and old as his issue. That doesnt make players not be able to shoot anymore. I think his heart just isnt there right now for whatever reason. He looked cooked for a good chunk of other years as well. This is just a longer stretch. But I am not sure that he cares enough anymore to turn it on. That or he is coasting through the regular season by coaches recommendation.

If it was the rest of his game I would believe he is just old and worn out, but not shooting.

I agree. There's no way he went from the best year of his career to the worst in just a few months. I honestly think the trade rumors are affecting him big time...his name has constantly been in rumors since the offseason and it's the first time in his career he's ever had to deal with it. It's probably tough to find motivation to go out there and give it your all when you know the team that you've been with your whole career is actively trying to get rid of you and you likely won't be here in a few weeks anyway. I can kind of understand why he would care less than some of the other guys right now.

I think if he's still here past the trade deadline he will be much more locked in and focused the rest of the year and will likely end the year shooting 40% or higher from 3. I really think he's gone though.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I agree. There's no way he went from the best year of his career to the worst in just a few months. I honestly think the trade rumors are affecting him big time...his name has constantly been in rumors since the offseason and it's the first time in his career he's ever had to deal with it. It's probably tough to find motivation to go out there and give it your all when you know the team that you've been with your whole career is actively trying to get rid of you and you likely won't be here in a few weeks anyway. I can kind of understand why he would care less than some of the other guys right now.

I think if he's still here past the trade deadline he will be much more locked in and focused the rest of the year and will likely end the year shooting 40% or higher from 3. I really think he's gone though.

It would be sad to see him go, but if he can net us a solid player that would go a long way for this team. I wish he had not killed his value though. We probably should have traded him in the off season if we actually had something decent in place. We will never know though.

 

[Ujfanatic]

Joe really just looks tired. Two shortened off seasons and an Olympics I think has really caught up with him.

 

[Tom349]

When Hughes lost that rebound out of bounds off the FT the camera panned to Quin and you can just tell he hates Hughes. Felt the same way with Butler too. Those dudes just aren't allowed to make mistakes even if they are the two most offensively talented deep bench guys Utah has.

It must be brutal for those guys to watch Clarkson have some of the most unearned freedom in the NBA.

Reminds me of his treatment of Exum. One bad play and it's a time out or substitution. Younger players have never received the opportunity to work through their mistakes with the exception of Mitchell.

We talk about the success in getting older players like Royce and Ingles to transition into the NBA and find a role but that is far different to someone straight out of college who is transitioning to playing against men. Even Clarkson didn't develop his game here, we simply found a way to utilise his ability to score that was needed at the time and has been detrimental this season.

 

[jazz4life1992]

Joe really just looks tired. Two shortened off seasons and an Olympics I think has really caught up with him.

If he is, Snyder should sit him for a few weeks. Let him get his legs back. The Jazz aren't falling below a top 4-5 seed. Seeding at this point shouldn't matter. The goal should be to make sure the entire roster is healthy by April. If that means sacrificing regular season games, then so be it.

 

[jazz4life1992]

Stuff like this is why the Jazz are hated by most NBA fans. We have this "arrogant" feeling as a fanbase, and it is shared by our reporters.

If Ben wasn't an idiot, he would look at Donovan's shooting lately, or Steph's shooting lately.

Granted, a bunch of media covering the NBA act like they walk on water, and carry themselves like they are important - like dude, you are covering sports.

 

[LogGrad98]

Good effort, but you could just feel the Jazz losing once the Suns took that lead in the 4th, like it was destined

I was talking to my dad about this and we both were enjoying where it was going even though we knew it would end in a 15 point loss. We weren't too far off. But all in all it was a very fun game to watch. Phoenix had to be worried there for a quick minute and that is enough to make it a moral victory imo.

 

[LogGrad98]

Stuff like this is why the Jazz are hated by most NBA fans. We have this "arrogant" feeling as a fanbase, and it is shared by our reporters.

If Ben wasn't an idiot, he would look at Donovan's shooting lately, or Steph's shooting lately.

Granted, a bunch of media covering the NBA act like they walk on water, and carry themselves like they are important - like dude, you are covering sports.

It was fun to hear the phoenix announcers last night talking about how Booker was "cooking" the Jazz, they kept saying that he was going for 40 or 50, and when they went on a rant about this after he hit a 3 in the third...to pull them within 5 of us since we were in the lead. It was so funny. Cooking the Jazz so hard that we are in the lead. lolol

 

[NUMBERICA]

Reminds me of his treatment of Exum. One bad play and it's a time out or substitution. Younger players have never received the opportunity to work through their mistakes with the exception of Mitchell.

We talk about the success in getting older players like Royce and Ingles to transition into the NBA and find a role but that is far different to someone straight out of college who is transitioning to playing against men. Even Clarkson didn't develop his game here, we simply found a way to utilise his ability to score that was needed at the time and has been detrimental this season.

But Exum ****ing suuucked (and couldn't stay healthy even if he didn't).

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

But Exum ****ing suuucked (and couldn't stay healthy even if he didn't).

Exum was so rough. He’d have at least 1-2 nuclear turnovers per game and then would get these touch fouls… made a lot of money in that international tournament that got him drafted and then in a series he guarded harden well… he was the apple of DL’s eye.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Exum was so rough. He’d have at least 1-2 nuclear turnovers per game and then would get these touch fouls… made a lot of money in that international tournament that got him drafted and then in a series he guarded harden well… he was the apple of DL’s eye.

Some people will be totally incapable of believing their eyes that a player is bad at basketball because they were drafted high and could have theoretically been good at basketball. DL and that SLC Dunk turd are going to be ruminating about it on their death beds.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Some people will be totally incapable of believing their eyes that a player is bad at basketball because they were drafted high and could have theoretically been good at basketball. DL and that SLC Dunk turd are going to be ruminating about it on their death beds.

I do get when you see something tantalizing thinking there is potential. I also get when you see a guy look like he doesn't know how to play basketball at all going ahead and dismissing those flashes as one off occurrences.

 

[jom2003]

I'm intrigued. Not gonna lie. The kids got a bright future ahead of him. One of the only things that went Quin's way this season.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

But Exum ****ing suuucked (and couldn't stay healthy even if he didn't).

Not just that he sucked, but he sucked in very unique ways that made it hard to fit his suck into a team concept.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I wouldn't be mad if the Jazz just traded Clarkson to clear opportunities for Forrest and Butler. I think they both complement each other and Donley.

 

[jom2003]

I wouldn't be mad if the Jazz just traded Clarkson to clear opportunities for Forrest and Butler. I think they both complement each other and Donley.

I'd trade JC for a bag of chips at this point. Getting rid of him would mean more minutes for the Butler/Forrest backcourt. Conley does his usual hammy management and we could see more games like the one in Toronto and Phoenix

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

Multiple games this year we've been close in the fourth quarter until Jordan Clarkson checks in, has three bad possessions in a row, and doesn't play defense resulting in the other team pulling away.

While I agree that Clarkson's defensive lapses this season have been horribad and far too frequent, Clarkson RARELY checks in during the 4th Qtr, in a close game, a blowout game or any game. He checks in late in the 1st Qtr and late in the 3rd Qtr and plays until about 4'ish minutes left in the 4th where he checks out either for Conley or Ingles (if Conley is resting).

Maybe I'm being a jerk for bringing that up but I'm just trying to be factual.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

While I agree that Clarkson's defensive lapses this season have been horribad and far too frequent, Clarkson RARELY checks in during the 4th Qtr, in a close game, a blowout game or any game. He checks in late in the 1st Qtr and late in the 3rd Qtr and plays until about 4'ish minutes left in the 4th where he checks out either for Conley or Ingles (if Conley is resting).

Maybe I'm being a jerk for bringing that up but I'm just trying to be factual.

I'll see your bet and raise you. As bad as Clarkson can be at times, his position is very difficult to fill and would not be filled with a Forrest or a Butler. Clarkson is an athletic freak similar to Don in that respect, and for good or bad always gives maximum effort. He didn't win 6th man of the year and in his first season in that position for no reason. If anyone goes I doubt it would be Clarkson. My vote would be for either or both of Conley and Ingles.

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

I'll see your bet and raise you. As bad as Clarkson can be at times, his position is very difficult to fill and would not be filled with a Forrest or a Butler. Clarkson is an athletic freak similar to Don in that respect, and for good or bad always gives maximum effort. He didn't win 6th man of the year and in his first season in that position for no reason. If anyone goes I doubt it would be Clarkson. My vote would be for either or both of Conley and Ingles.

My post was more to point out the fact that Jordan doesn't check in during the 4th Qtr in a close game.

I do not want Clarkson gone, especially for nothing as some have been saying lately but was also acknowledging this year his defensive lapses have been more glaring. I even just posted in another thread saying he looks better on defense in the limited minutes when playing with Paschall and/or Forrest and/or House. At least when they are playing with energy it seems positively feed Clarkson's energy.

I would say as far as return value, which as a Jazz fan would be what I am most concerned with and what the Jazz could stand to lose, Clarkson or Conley are the 2 highest on my list. Ingles wont get much by himself and either will Royce but either one of those two could be part of a Clarkson or Conley trade to make things work. I do not think any of them will be traded just FYI.

 

[fallenchicken]

It was fun to hear the phoenix announcers last night talking about how Booker was "cooking" the Jazz, they kept saying that he was going for 40 or 50, and when they went on a rant about this after he hit a 3 in the third...to pull them within 5 of us since we were in the lead. It was so funny. Cooking the Jazz so hard that we are in the lead. lolol

Chris Paul won them the game Booker had nothing to do with it. Not a Booker hater though--think he's great. But he's not the Sun i'm afraid of in a Phoenix playoff series as I think Mitchell is at least as good, maybe a smidge better.