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Jazz 15th In ESPN's Front Office Rankings

Handlogten's Heros said:
Everything you said plus this... We weren't getting the OKC Kanter. He is clearly more locked in. His effort is much better there than it was here. Had he been playing like this we probably would have kept him or gotten more in the trade, but he was playing like crap. He's had more multiple assist nights there than he did in his whole career here. Mentally he was disengaged here.
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Being engaged for a month will likely make him millions. Don't want to be the team that signs him ten minutes after the long term deal is done.
 
framer said:
Being engaged for a month will likely make him millions. Don't want to be the team that signs him ten minutes after the long term deal is done.
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I don't think that will be a problem with Kanter. I just think Kanter has to feel appreciated to play well. I would be more worried about there not being enough touches for that to happen when Ibaka and Durant return making his offensive contributions impressve and his defensive flaws more apparent.
 
Cy said:
I don't think that will be a problem with Kanter. I just think Kanter has to feel appreciated to play well. I would be more worried about there not being enough touches for that to happen when Ibaka and Durant return making his offensive contributions impressve and his defensive flaws more apparent.
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Dude is a proven sandbagger. You are either capable of doing that or you are not. Can you imagine Rudy sandbagging? No and that is why he is here and Enes is not. The warning signs were always there. Enes had no interest in his national team, and didn't really dedicate the extra time to working on his game. He was always injured during training camp but seemed to rebound once the games mattered. He still gives absolutely no effort on pick and roll defense which is boring. So yeah, I'm glad his new contract is someone else's problem and we at least got some assets, because if OKC doesn't resign him they will lose assets AND a player which is even worse and why it was hard to trade him. Any team that give Enes more than 12 million will live to regret that contract.
 
nightmare3983 said:
I kind of get the feeling this means that everyone is just very lukewarm toward the Jazz and just don't feel strongly about them one way or the other.
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More likely nobody outside of Utah has seen more than three Jazz games all year and the ones that they have seen were likely not the ones we played well in, statistically speaking. . .
 
framer said:
Enes is a third big on the Jazz and would likely have seen his minutes decrease as Gobert grew. He really has huge flaws in his game that are going to be costly in the playoffs. We have seen that movie before. Keep in mind that some idiot team is going to pay Enes 15 million or so. That is not a valuable contract. The money consideration IS something you have to take into account. You can build most of a good bench for 15 million rather than having it tied up in one player. To get something back for a free agent we were not going to even attempt to retain at a huge cost is a tremendous win, and something people bitched about us NOT doing with Sap and Al. I'm sure we could have swapped Kanter for Reggie Jackson, but we actually dodged a bullet there. I like what we actually got better.

To show you just how much Kanter WASN'T valued, Phoenix basically gave Thomas away for table scraps. We probably would have accepted Thomas for Kanter. Phoenix never made that offer. They liked their table scraps more than Kanter at a high dollar contract.

People act like teams were busting down the door for Kanter. They weren't. It was pretty evident that the Jazz weren't going to pay a lot of money to retain him and why should they as they have better players.
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I agree he had to go. He had issues with Corbin (I'm not behind the scenes, but this is probably justifiable.) He can't get along with his national team. Then he couldn't get along with this year's Jazz team and Coach Snyder. Obviously a trend is developing.

Also you're right, you don't want to spend $15 million on a bench player.

I still get the feeling that we didn't get much for him. You make an interesting point about Phoenix, but I don't see any value anywhere in what we got. A late first rounder? That's a huge gamble and that's the best asset I see in the list of things we got.

Maybe the market would have been different in November or December. I guess only DL knows, but I really feel like we got little for a potential 20/10 guy.
 
JFFR said:
I still get the feeling that we didn't get much for him. You make an interesting point about Phoenix, but I don't see any value anywhere in what we got. A late first rounder? That's a huge gamble and that's the best asset I see in the list of things we got.

Maybe the market would have been different in November or December. I guess only DL knows, but I really feel like we got little for a potential 20/10 guy.
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You're never going to get much for a player that is half a season from becoming a free agent ... even a restricted free agent.

Two issues make this trade have much less value than you would think:

1) Teams that really want him could just wait until the end of the season and go after him as a free agent. You can put your best offer on the table and structure it in such a way to discourage the team from matching.

2) If you make this trade midseason, the team accepting him in a trade runs the risk that the player will get an offer in the offseason that they are unwilling to match. In which case, any assets they gave up in the trade would be lost and so would the player.

Aside from the fact that DL is a smart guy, don't you think he shopped Kanter around for the best possible deal? Considering that they traded him within their division, I'm pretty confident this was the best deal they could get.
 
The experts need to experience Quin looking deep into their souls.

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Magic Spray said:
Here's the list:


Honestly, I don't think there is a better FO than what Dennis Linsdey is doing. He's led the changes, asking the Milllers to pony up more dough for scouting and for players. Snagging Gobert from the Nuggets with The Nets money, matching Hayward when every talking head thought he was a 8-9 Million player, hiring Quin Snyder, trading Kanter to free up Gobert...lots of hits. TO me his main misses are keeping Ty Corbin for the duration of his contract and drafting Trey Burke (at the behest of Ty Corbin, by the way). I give him 2 more years before the Jazz are leading these types of circle-jerk polls.
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Those are rose colored lenses. Other considerations:

1. The Trey Burke pick was worse than just picking him, because it was two picks (14 & 21). Gobert and Neto were both available at our initial picks in that draft. We couldn't grabbed Giannis or Schroeder with that #14 pick, something that was obvious to a lot of people on here at the time, so it's not like this is revisionist shoulda-coulda BS.

2. Hayward only wanted Favors money initially. Not giving him that made him a max player.

3. Did we learn the lesson from the Hayward situation? No. We didn't trade Enes the next offseason to maximize his value, or sign him for Favors money before the season started. We also brought in players like Booker and Novak, and a bunch of DLeague PF's to compete with his PT and make him disgruntled as Gobert was emerging. So when it came time to trade him, we got pennies on the dollar. Sure, Enes asked for a trade, but he asked for it because we created the circumstance.

4. We traded a second round pick from the incredibly deep 2014 draft for a worse pick in a worse draft because we felt like we had to many young players. Yet, we turned around and invited half the DLeague to camp!

5. We've neglected to bring over Neto, but have auditioned many Dleaguers, and rewarded Trey's poor play with PT until we were forced to start a rookie in Dante who clearly isn't ready, which could damage him.



There have been huge hits, for sure. But we are not without our blemishes.
 
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